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► Add to the Discussion Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Leo Zimmer added to this discussion on June 14, 2009 Just watched this, and thought Donahoe and Jordan came off very bad.. did anyone else watch? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4242983        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" J.P. Barner added to this discussion on June 14, 2009 Quote from Leo Zimmer's post: "Just watched this, and thought Donahoe and Jordan came off very bad.. did anyone else watch? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4242983" No one looked good - the young men made very poor judgements, but it doesn't say much for the school that they keep kids convicted of crimes on the team but oust these two because they make the school look bad?        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Leo Zimmer added to this discussion on June 14, 2009 The Nebraska athletic department obviously has problems... well documented across various sports. Before this piece, I had felt kind of bad for Donahoe and Jordan. After this piece, they came off as a couple of spoiled athletes with a sense of entitlement. Jordan more so than Donahoe. Jordan said at least twice "...just get over it" Get over what? The fact that you broke the rules? Several times. I also laughed when he said " I've ONLY been to jail 3 times"... Um, by most peoples standards, that is three times too many. Then Donahoe with his mysterious case of amnesia... what was that about?        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on June 14, 2009 From what I've come to understand, Paul Donahue did not grow up in a good family environment and had little personal guidance. Famed Davidson coach, Roy Hall, served as a primary father figure for him. It's not hard to imagine him making a very poor decision esp. when it came to a chance to make some money. I don't know much about Jordan. I also think the rules governing D1 collegiate athletes are often murky or downright bizarre. While I think both young men made bad decisions, I don't think they did anything worthy of the punishment received. Sadly, porn has become more acceptable because of the internet and acts that most of us would never have contemplated have lost their ability to cause shame to a younger generation.        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on June 14, 2009 Hank, If you were the coach, with all the things they've done, you wouldn't have booted them? They should've been gone earlier.        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Dan Ransick added to this discussion on June 15, 2009 At first you think it was a first time offense then you listen to them and here what they have to say. Jordan has been arrested 3 times at least how many times can one person say its a mistake before it's no longer a mistake. The list seems pretty long on what they did and they seemed like they had numerous chances to turn around and do the right thing.        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Mike Taylor added to this discussion on June 15, 2009 What these guys have forgotten (or simply never realized) is they represent the school they are attending. Therefore, whatever they do is what their school does. If they help out at a local shelter, their school is seen as cheritable. If they donate their time at a local elementary school, their school is seen as caring. If they pose nude for a gay porn site (or any site for that matter), their school is seen as...well you get the idea. Where this affects the school is alumni and boosters aren't going to dish out the $$$ to a program they are embarassed of. We could discuss all day which misdeed is worse (fighting or porn), but that isn't the real issue here. Since when has the standard for acceptable behavior been "I've only been to jail 3 times" ? Who looks bad as a result of this segment? Wrestlers do...all of us. The uninformed John or Jane Public who sees this will draw the conclusion (even if on a subconscious level) wrestlers are gay or dumb or arrogant or rowdy or undisciplined or whatever negative title that could be attached to the actions described not only by these two wrestlers but the actions of the Nebraska team (allegedly). IMO, Purdue would be foolish to allow Jordan to wrestle for them given his past list of "mistakes." As was asked earlier, when does the continual act of misdeeds cease to be categorized as "mistakes" and become categorized as a lifestyle?        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on July 5, 2009 I just watched the segment on ESPN.com. If you allow athletes to continuously get away with infractions, then you can expect them to continue to commit them. Mark Manning came off worse than Jordan or Donahoe. My opinion of him has changed 180 degrees. Donahoe and Jordan did what they did because no one was getting the boot for other infractions. Are all programs this loose with the rules? Drinking at the head coaches wedding? Gambling on the bus and at a coaches home? I no longer have sympathy for Jordan or Donahoe. But I definitely think Manning and company have to either refute the claims made or get the boot. I hope the NCAA looks into it.        Discussion Topic: University of Nebraska wrestling featured on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" Leo Zimmer added to this discussion on July 5, 2009 Well said Hank... I like to ask the question "If I was sending a daughter to college, would I want her to live next door to the guys on that team?" When Osbourne was the football coach there, the answer was a resounding no... seems that the same could be said for Manning's team.        ► Add to the Discussion