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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Pat Altvater added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

I found this article on the forum of themat.com. It has the funding for all NCAA Div.1 Wrestling teams ranked by team and conference. I thought many followers on this site might find this interesting.

The top 10 are:
1) Iowa State
2) Iowa Hawkeyes
3) Ohio State
4) Oklahoma State
5) Lehigh
6) Oklahoma
7) Missouri
8) Nebraska
9) Penn State
10)U of M

Not surprisingly, Cleveland State is one of the lowest funded programs in the nation.

NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers

Post by tirapell ยป Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:42 pm
I posted this on the California wrestling board but I thought it was so enlightening, the rest of the country might like to see it as well.

I don't think many people realize how crucial 2 things are to success at the college level: (1) opportunities and (2) funding. So I looked at expenses per school in each conference and here's how it breaks down. Not surprising that the # of All-American's per school follows very closely to the average spending per school in each conference. The conferences are ranked by # of All-Americans per school.

Conference # of Schools Avg Expense/School All-Americans All-Americans/School
BIG 10 12 $1,082,274 34 2.83
BIG 12 4 $1,274,200 11 2.75
ACC 7 $811,535 9 1.29
MAC 9 $672,867 9 1.00
EIWA 18 $620,337 10 0.56
EWL 7 $502,282 3 0.43
PAC 12 6 $648,939 2 0.33
WWC 6 $488,031 1 0.17
SO CON 8 $467,954 1 0.13

Then you have opportunities. Pennsylvania has 11 Division 1 programs in their state. The states of Washington, Oregon, California, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona have 10 combined.

WEST - 10 programs
MIDWEST - 23 programs
EAST - 29 programs
SOUTH - 15 programs

The numbers next to each school shows where they rank amonst the 77 D1 programs in terms of money spent per year. The only ones not listed were the military academies, which I guess wouldn't be relevant anyway since they don't have tuition costs and substitute military service.

WEST
12 Arizona State University AZ $1,045,074 PAC 12
41 Stanford University CA $583,975 PAC 12
58 California Polytechnic State University-San Luis Obispo CA $445,942 PAC 12
70 California State University-Bakersfield CA $296,998 PAC 12
55 Boise State University ID $486,511 PAC 12
14 Oregon State University OR $1,035,136 PAC 12
65 University of Northern Colorado CO $373,600 WWC
75 Air Force CO WWC
57 Utah Valley University UT $453,969 WWC
36 University of Wyoming WY $679,603 WWC

EAST
25 University of Maryland-College Park MD $811,829 ACC
22 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh Campus PA $915,262 ACC
9 Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus PA $1,139,168 BIG 10
74 Sacred Heart University CT $154,875 EIWA
23 American University DC $849,013 EIWA
20 Boston University MA $926,805 EIWA
68 Harvard University MA $324,039 EIWA
77 Navy MD EIWA
37 Rutgers University-New Brunswick NJ $670,851 EIWA
60 Princeton University NJ $416,299 EIWA
19 Hofstra University NY $931,543 EIWA
35 Cornell University NY $713,595 EIWA
52 Columbia University in the City of New York NY $524,388 EIWA
54 SUNY at Binghamton NY $490,839 EIWA
76 Army NY EIWA
5 Lehigh University PA $1,339,028 EIWA
26 Drexel University PA $765,843 EIWA
31 Bucknell University PA $749,703 EIWA
56 University of Pennsylvania PA $480,485 EIWA
69 Franklin and Marshall College PA $299,802 EIWA
71 Brown University RI $288,282 EIWA
18 Rider University NJ $941,663 EWL
46 Lock Haven University PA $545,246 EWL
51 Edinboro University of Pennsylvania PA $525,848 EWL
64 Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania PA $375,674 EWL
66 Clarion University of Pennsylvania PA $351,331 EWL
48 University at Buffalo NY $538,576 MAC
49 North Dakota State University-Main Campus ND $529,390 WWC
61 South Dakota State University SD $403,594 WWC

MIDWEST
2 University of Iowa IA $1,652,195 BIG 10
11 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign IL $1,055,936 BIG 10
16 Northwestern University IL $979,397 BIG 10
30 Indiana University-Bloomington IN $753,691 BIG 10
32 Purdue University-Main Campus IN $748,937 BIG 10
10 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor MI $1,114,298 BIG 10
29 Michigan State University MI $756,238 BIG 10
17 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities MN $944,870 BIG 10
8 University of Nebraska-Lincoln NE $1,156,542 BIG 10
3 Ohio State University-Main Campus OH $1,647,027 BIG 10
13 University of Wisconsin-Madison WI $1,038,987 BIG 10
1 Iowa State University IA $1,708,695 BIG 12
4 Oklahoma State University-Main Campus OK $1,413,618 BIG 12
6 University of Oklahoma Norman Campus OK $1,215,585 BIG 12
63 Cleveland State University OH $382,421 EWL
39 University of Northern Iowa IA $630,201 MAC
45 Northern Illinois University IL $567,917 MAC
38 Central Michigan University MI $657,762 MAC
59 Eastern Michigan University MI $417,305 MAC
7 University of Missouri-Columbia MO $1,212,903 MAC
33 Ohio University-Main Campus OH $745,450 MAC
50 Kent State University at Kent OH $526,762 MAC
72 Southern Illinois University Edwardsville IL $285,963 SO CON

SOUTH
24 North Carolina State University at Raleigh NC $824,514 ACC
34 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill NC $714,676 ACC
53 Duke University NC $502,549 ACC
15 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University VA $989,956 ACC
21 University of Virginia-Main Campus VA $921,959 ACC
28 West Virginia University WV $758,903 BIG 12
62 George Mason University VA $393,788 EWL
27 Old Dominion University VA $758,923 MAC
40 Gardner-Webb University NC $593,382 SO CON
43 Campbell University NC $569,982 SO CON
47 Appalachian State University NC $540,562 SO CON
73 Davidson College NC $269,658 SO CON
42 Citadel Military College of South Carolina SC $575,663 SO CON
44 The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga TN $569,789 SO CON
67 Virginia Military Institute VA $338,629 SO CON



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

age old question: do u get funding first -or do u prove u deserve funding then u get money??

program founder coach Dick Bonacci at Cleveland st got even less funding, he had NO paid asst coaches. But he got some results, had AAs, NCAA quals- and even Iowa wrestled CSU in his gym, many fans followed the program. Coach Bonacci brought the 1998 NCAA div I tourn to Cleveland. --Coach Effner had some success too.



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Ben Golden added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

Whoa... Iowa STATE is the best-funded program in the country?!?



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Mike Taylor added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

Very unfortunate that no schools from the SEC (not counting Missouri) have Division I wrestling programs. I believe you would see wrestling grow to a greater extent in the south if there were an opportunity for them to compete in college perhaps a greater investment would be made in the high school level.
Moving to South Carolina from Iowa (and growing up and wrestling in Ohio) I see the huge disparity between wrestling at the high school level in the south vs wrestling in the Midwest at the same level.



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

Mike, there is going to be GREAT growth in the south. Some colleges flush with fooball money will add wrestling, like they had in the 80s when most of their wrestlers were from up north.

Why? people are moving there and retiring there. A coach/teacher from hotbeds Illinois, NJ, NY, PA, Ohio might retire to the south --and he might still want to coach, that happens too. So high school wrestling is geting much better, already i see it in Georgia especially.



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Leo Zimmer added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

I hate to see that Cleveland State is so poorly funded To be fair however, Kent State's funding is not much better, and they are a top 25 team.

Did the original article explain where these figures came from?



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

Read the post but never quite understood what was meant by funding. Was this per team?

Also, the debate that raged beneath the post concerned coaching vs funding. No question that most of the successful teams are well funded. But there are also lots of examples of well funded programs doing poorly due to bad coaching as well as less funded programs doing well because of a stellar coach.



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Mike Taylor added to this discussion on April 4, 2014

Quote from Bob Preusse's post:

"Mike, there is going to be GREAT growth in the south. Some colleges flush with fooball money will add wrestling, like they had in the 80s when most of their wrestlers were from up north.

Why? people are moving there and retiring there. A coach/teacher from hotbeds Illinois, NJ, NY, PA, Ohio might retire to the south --and he might still want to coach, that happens too. So high school wrestling is geting much better, already i see it in Georgia especially."

I've seen Georgia improving but South Carolina lags light years behind, so does Tennessee, as does Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama. The athletes are there but what gives you hope that Clemson (who once had a team), FSU, South Carolina, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia will invest money to start a wrestling team?
By the way, I know that Clemson and FSU are ACC teams and not SEC. Just throwing them in the mix.



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Pat Altvater added to this discussion on April 5, 2014

Leo: The original writer of the thread got his data from: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

Hank: On the listings in the middle of the article expresses each university program and includes the total amount funded for that school's wrestling program in the last year.

With all of the discussion lately about how much involvement Gene Smith does, or doesn't have with the wrestling department, it is intersting to me that OSU is ranked third on this list. That means that producing a winning wrestling team is important to the AD, and the Ohio State Administration as a whole.
(Interesting question? - Between OSU's Basketball, football, and wrestling programs, which program has the highest national ranking right now? - Obviously, it is wrestling. Wrestling is the only one in the top 10.)

What advantage does a highly funded program have?
1) Able to hire the best, and fully staffed coaching staff.
2) Best facilities available. - I've never heard anyone say that Steelwood isn't one of the best facilities in the country.
3) Fully funded scholarships to NCAA limits. Not all D1 schools have that opportunity. - Great recruiting support.
4) Extensive nutritional and training support.

One of the schools that surprised me most was Minnesota. For having one of the continual top 5 programs in the nation, they were a little further down the list in funding. Basically that says, JRob gets more out of his program for less $$$$$.



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Ben Golden added to this discussion on April 5, 2014

When it says funding, does that mean "budget" or "endowment" or something else? I don't know how it's possible that Iowa State spends more money than anyone else. I was at NCAAs a couple years ago talking to their SID. They didn't even send a full-time SID, just a student. And he was telling me how they only gave him like $30/day for all his expenses, including the purchase of internet from his hotel (which he needed to do his SID work).



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 5, 2014

Quote from Mike Taylor's post:

"

Quote from Bob Preusse's post:

" Mike, there is going to be GREAT growth in the south. "



The athletes are there but what gives you hope that Clemson (who once had a team), FSU, South Carolina, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia will invest money to start a wrestling team?
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Mike,
my thinking is with coaches retiring to the South, high school wrestling improving, eventually there will be demand for college wrestling programs-- and the cash rich football schools in the SEC and ACC can afford to fund it.

of course i probably will not live to see it, progress always moves slowly. But it seems inevitable to me.

in the 1960s who would have thought auto and other high paying Northern union jobs- and those companies HQ themselves in some cases- would be moving to the South in large numbers?? but it happened for a number of reasons, though it took quite a while. ...s/BobP



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Pat Altvater added to this discussion on April 5, 2014

Quote from Ben Golden's post:

"When it says funding, does that mean "budget" or "endowment" or something else? I don't know how it's possible that Iowa State spends more money than anyone else. I was at NCAAs a couple years ago talking to their SID. They didn't even send a full-time SID, just a student. And he was telling me how they only gave him like $30/day for all his expenses, including the purchase of internet from his hotel (which he needed to do his SID work)."



Ben: I tried accessing the 'op-ed' site to answer your question, and I am not positive I found your answer.

But, I believe that the table used was derived by analyzing data for athletic program 'expenses' for the 2012 fiscal year that was 6/1/2012 to 6/1/2013.

You ask an interesting question, but like a lot of other high profile and high expense public offices, I suppose they scrimp on the budget in one area, to highly fund other areas. In this case, restrict the SID and his expenses, and maximize funds for scholarships, facilities, and coaching.

Do they have newer, more expensive training facilities?



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on April 5, 2014

Quote from Pat Altvater's post:

"One of the schools that surprised me most was Minnesota. For having one of the continual top 5 programs in the nation, they were a little further down the list in funding. Basically that says, JRob gets more out of his program for less $$$$$."



The JRobinson camps bring in a TON of money that he uses on his program.



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on April 5, 2014

[quote="Brady Hiatt"]

Quote from Pat Altvater's post:

"One of the schools that surprised me most was Minnesota. For having one of the continual top 5 programs in the nation, they were a little further down the list in funding. Basically that says, JRob gets more out of his program for less $$$$$."



The JRobinson camps bring in a TON of money that he uses on his program.[/quote

$croll to the bottom...wow!!!

https://jrobinsoncamps.com/camps/pricing-discounts



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Discussion Topic: NCAA D1 - Funding by the numbers
Pat Altvater added to this discussion on April 6, 2014

According to this list, Minny was over $700k behind Iowa, Iowa State, and OSU in expenditures for the year analyzed.



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