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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Doug Brandt added to this discussion on December 28, 2014

Quote from Leo Zimmer's post:

"He had detached retina's in both eyes I believe. Wore some funky homemade eye protection, opponents would pull and paw at constantly. This led to some anger issues, and a suspension.

The film also focuses on the frustration that comes from getting so close to a title (2nd, 2nd, 3rd) but never actually achieving the goal.

The film is very well done, similar to the 30 for 30 style. Here is the trailer for it;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauRp9RVkqo"



I saw Veritas on Hulu when they had the whole documentary there for free. You can buy it on Amazon for $20, or you can download it here for $12:

http://www.indiepixfilms.com/film/4712

It is a very good documentary, and I always felt bad for Trenge for losing to Hahn, who took Trenge down in the closing seconds of the finals.

I remember seeing Trenge in either 2004 or 5 in the National Duals at Cleveland. His opponent may have purposely stuck his fingers in Trenge's eye- I don't know- but Trenge was absolutely furious, and it cost Lehigh a point- and maybe the team advancement. I'm operating on memory here, and maybe someone else like Bob P was there to see it.

Here's a Trenge interview:

http://www.westyorkwrestlingalumni.com/2009jtrengeint.htm



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on December 28, 2014

Quote from Justin Hayes's post:

" [Brother Bob, check 30 for 30 "Youngstown Boys" if you haven't seen it...tOSU, Clarett, and Tressel..."




yes ive seen Youngstown Boys, its alot longer than 30 but they all are longer-- i like the 30 for 30s, real human drama and reveals how life plays out the cards it deals us. No matter how big or powerful we are none of us are immune from, as Shakespeare called it, "the slings and arrows of fate". We are all flawed and most of us succumb to our weaknesses, some of us to a greater degree than others.

i liked the Jimmy the Greek one ---u may know Dean Martin also from Steubenville dealt cards in the same casinos down there that the Greek got his start in. The fact all 3 of the Greek's children died early from cystic fibrosis would break any man.

I'm not going to debate it, but myself i don't think his comments that cost him his TV career were meant to be "racist" at all.

DEAN MARTIN when he had the most popular variety show on TV, he would close his show by saying "And goodnite to the Big Red". He worked vaudville and here in Cleveland he married the mother of his children at Gesu Catholic church in Cleveland Heights- Hank knows where it is. ...s/BobP



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Leo Zimmer added to this discussion on December 29, 2014

I like this topic...

Additional story lines to discuss;

Adam Frey-- Success on the mat and his inspiring battle with cancer

Wrestling families-- Smith's. Milkovich's, Perry's, DiSabbito's to name a few

State Tournaments-- highlight the history and drama of Ohio, PA, NJ, Iowa.

International powerhouses-- Highlight the successes of relatively small countries (Iran,Turkey, smaller former Soviet states)



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on December 29, 2014

Quote from Leo Zimmer's post:

"I like this topic...International powerhouses-- Highlight the successes of relatively small countries (Iran,Turkey, smaller former Soviet states)"



Good call.

Perhaps the vetting process at young ages, the training perspective, and the material incentives at the Olympic level for other countries?

I vaguely recall the Russians and Iranians receiving noteworthy financial rewards for medaling at the Olympics...



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on December 29, 2014

Leo, what could make the 30 for 30 cut? if you wrote the story what topic might a 30 for 30 producer give u a call back??

the one i agree, Adam Frey-- from AWN: a brilliant high school wrestler at Blair Academy, Adam Frey was taken from those who loved him- and seemingly there were many- by a virulent cancer on December 26, 2009. Adam fought the brave fight, and had the guts to share his journey, his fears, and his keen insights with the rest of us through his blog http://adamfrey.us/ which gained national attention.



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Leo Zimmer added to this discussion on December 29, 2014

If I were a film producer, I'd like to make the Adam Frey Story. The fact that he fought his battle so publicly via his blog, I think would be interesting to many folks... even those who are not wrestling fans.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure ESPN would be interested in that story. I do think they would consider making the story about Iran, Turkey ect.

I'd be interested to hear what others think. I know I'm missing some good wrestling human interest stories.



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on December 29, 2014

*DiSabatos

Jeesh!!! This guy...



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Earl Smith added to this discussion on January 1, 2015

I love the 30 for 30's many of them are excellent. The thinking behind the original 30 films was to take topics that may have been overlooked during the first 30 years of ESPN coverage. That being said I'm going to throw out a few topics that I feel fall into that category of being overlooked or forgotten at this point. As pointed out earlier most of these 30 for 30's don't have "feel good" endings.


The Collegiate Coaching Shakeup of Spring 2006-Centered around Tom Brands going back to Iowa and it's effects on the Virginia Tech program. The drama around the release of the wrestlers from VT to Iowa. Also needs mentioning is how a bunch of other programs have flourished as a result of these moves...Virginia Tech with Kevin Dresser, Ohio State with Tom Ryan....Oregon State with Jim Zaleski ..Cael as head man at Iowa State; then PSU and so forth.

Paul Donahoe-After the 2008 season the 2007 NCAA Champion Paul Donahoe found himself in hot water after racy picture of him and teammate Kenny Jordan were found on a gay website. If I remember correctly what really got him in trouble with the NCAA was him selling gifts that he received at the Big 12's. He transferred and finished his career as a Runner-Up to Troy Nickerson.

Bubba Jenkins-One of the most polarizing figures in DI wrestling the past 10 years or so. His troubles at Penn State have been well documented, but there is plenty that is still "out there" behind the scenes regarding his relationship with Cael Sanderson and him subsequent transfer to Arizona State. There was also some controversy surrounding his HS career as he was a Virginia State Champ as a Sophomore but never appeared in the State Tournament as a Junior or Senior.

Oregon Dropping Wrestling. The University of Nike complaining about not being able to support wrestling while having 1000 different football uniforms. A lying AD who had no business being in athletic administration, other than befriending Nike's Phil Knight. And then Knight's family affection for baseball and the jealousy of Oregon State's baseball success at the time.

Cary Kolat. The Best HS Wrestler in recent memory, if not ever. The great success at the youth and HS level, with an intense training schedule at the young age. He (along with Kerry McCoy) had some of the most controversial matches at the international level and prevented him from becoming a World Champ.



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on January 1, 2015

Quote from Earl Smith's post:

"I love the 30 for 30's many of them are excellent. The thinking behind the original 30 films was to take topics that may have been overlooked during the first 30 years of ESPN coverage. That being said I'm going to throw out a few topics that I feel fall into that category of being overlooked or forgotten at this point. As pointed out earlier most of these 30 for 30's don't have "feel good" endings.


The Collegiate Coaching Shakeup of Spring 2006-Centered around Tom Brands going back to Iowa and it's effects on the Virginia Tech program. The drama around the release of the wrestlers from VT to Iowa. Also needs mentioning is how a bunch of other programs have flourished as a result of these moves...Virginia Tech with Kevin Dresser, Ohio State with Tom Ryan....Oregon State with Jim Zaleski ..Cael as head man at Iowa State; then PSU and so forth.

Paul Donahoe-After the 2008 season the 2007 NCAA Champion Paul Donahoe found himself in hot water after racy picture of him and teammate Kenny Jordan were found on a gay website. If I remember correctly what really got him in trouble with the NCAA was him selling gifts that he received at the Big 12's. He transferred and finished his career as a Runner-Up to Troy Nickerson.

Bubba Jenkins-One of the most polarizing figures in DI wrestling the past 10 years or so. His troubles at Penn State have been well documented, but there is plenty that is still "out there" behind the scenes regarding his relationship with Cael Sanderson and him subsequent transfer to Arizona State. There was also some controversy surrounding his HS career as he was a Virginia State Champ as a Sophomore but never appeared in the State Tournament as a Junior or Senior.

Oregon Dropping Wrestling. The University of Nike complaining about not being able to support wrestling while having 1000 different football uniforms. A lying AD who had no business being in athletic administration, other than befriending Nike's Phil Knight. And then Knight's family affection for baseball and the jealousy of Oregon State's baseball success at the time.

Cary Kolat. The Best HS Wrestler in recent memory, if not ever. The great success at the youth and HS level, with an intense training schedule at the young age. He (along with Kerry McCoy) had some of the most controversial matches at the international level and prevented him from becoming a World Champ."



Dang, Earl....Like A Boss!



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on January 1, 2015

How many of Gable's wrestlers have gone on to coach? Perhaps a "Dan Gable Coaching Tree"?



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on November 6, 2017

15 years from now:

“My Brother’s Keeper: Kyle and Kevin Snyder”

How great would a dualing interview format be?



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on November 8, 2017

re 30 for 30, i enjoy them too, great stories, the episodes are intended to be "Greek tragedy, what coulda been" type stories--- the ironies, luck, misfortune and decisions in a persons life which brought them to where they are today.

last night debuted one of a famed pro wrestlers mercurial & flamboyant life, Nature Boy Rick Flair. ..maybe 10-12 years ago in St Eds gym, their dual with Blair, Flair's son Reed was wrestling for Blair his senior year. Not one of their best wrestlers but he started i think. i was siting next to Galbincea who is a avid pro wrestling fan.

Pat looks to the visitors bleachers and says to me, "Theres Rick Flair." Didnt mean that much to me at the time, but now after seeing the 30 for 30 i recall it vividly. (according to 30 for 30 Reed Flair died by drug overdose at age 25.)



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Rob Wagner added to this discussion on November 8, 2017

Flair was in attendance for the Eds/Blair dual for the 2007 National Championship. Greatest dual meet I have ever been too and ever witnessed. His son was teched by Chris Honeycutt. Great docu last night.



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Tony Bradberry added to this discussion on November 17, 2017

While I know the OP said "without Gable" I think the easy answer is to do one on Larry Owings. The untold David and Goliath story for most people is the guy who took down "the guy". Gable is still one of the most well known main stream wrestling figures, but how many people really know anything about the guy who beat him? Owings dropped down a weight class to chase Gable after losing to him in the Olympic trials in 1968 relatively handily. An ABC reporter asked him during the press why he would drop down to a weight class that would be impossible to win, and he replied "I'll beat him".

The day before the NCAA tournament there was an article in the Chicago Tribune titled "I'm Here to Beat Dan Gable". That right there folks is the title of the 30 for 30.



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Discussion Topic: ESPN 30 for 30: Wrestling Documentary?
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on November 17, 2017

Quote from Tony Bradberry's post:

"While I know the OP said "without Gable" I think the easy answer is to do one on Larry Owings. The untold David and Goliath story for most people is the guy who took down "the guy". Gable is still one of the most well known main stream wrestling figures, but how many people really know anything about the guy who beat him? Owings dropped down a weight class to chase Gable after losing to him in the Olympic trials in 1968 relatively handily. An ABC reporter asked him during the press why he would drop down to a weight class that would be impossible to win, and he replied "I'll beat him".

The day before the NCAA tournament there was an article in the Chicago Tribune titled "I'm Here to Beat Dan Gable". That right there folks is the title of the 30 for 30."



Good one, Tony.



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