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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on August 15, 2016
I may have already asked this at some point in the past, but does anyone have a good explanation as to why wrestling started giving out two bronze medals at World and Olympic competitions? It would make so much more sense to simply have one more match per weight class to actually determine third and fourth place. If I were an athlete who took fourth in another sport and just missed out on a medal, I'd be pissed if I saw that the top four wrestlers get a medal!
Do any other sports give out double bronzes? Judo?
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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on August 17, 2016
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"I may have already asked this at some point in the past, but does anyone have a good explanation as to why wrestling started giving out two bronze medals at World and Olympic competitions? It would make so much more sense to simply have one more match per weight class to actually determine third and fourth place. If I were an athlete who took fourth in another sport and just missed out on a medal, I'd be pissed if I saw that the top four wrestlers get a medal!
Do any other sports give out double bronzes? Judo?"
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Jeff: If you compete in gymnastics, there are a gazillion medal opportunities. Same with swimming or track. Wrestlers get one chance. Their weights are barely seeded. If they lose, they have to be carried to get back in. All that work for years and they compete under regulations that we wouldn't use for a high school JV event. So, what do I think about two bronzes? Answer--YES. Hell, they should offer four.
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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on August 17, 2016
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Jeff: If you compete in gymnastics, there are a gazillion medal opportunities. Same with swimming or track. Wrestlers get one chance. Their weights are barely seeded. If they lose, they have to be carried to get back in. All that work for years and they compete under regulations that we wouldn't use for a high school JV event. So, what do I think about two bronzes? Answer--YES. Hell, they should offer four."
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Good points Hank. But wrestling didn't always give out two bronze medals, right? Does anyone know the origin?
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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
John Flanigan added to this discussion on August 17, 2016
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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on August 17, 2016
Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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Jeff: If you compete in gymnastics, there are a gazillion medal opportunities. Same with swimming or track. Wrestlers get one chance. Their weights are barely seeded. If they lose, they have to be carried to get back in. All that work for years and they compete under regulations that we wouldn't use for a high school JV event. So, what do I think about two bronzes? Answer--YES. Hell, they should offer four."
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Good points Hank. But wrestling didn't always give out two bronze medals, right? Does anyone know the origin?"
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Jeff: If they offered true double elimination, I'd be in favor of only having one bronze. Started around 2000 I think.
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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on August 26, 2016
If the IOC's criteria is more concerned with limiting the number of medals for wrestling, then I say give one bronze medal out at each weight class, and make it 8 weight classes per style. That would result in the same number of medals (4 medals * 18 weight classes = 3 medals * 24 weight classes = 72).
If the IOC's criteria is more concerned with limiting the number of competitors for wrestling, then make each bracket an even 16 instead of the 19 or 20 (and still give out three medals per weight). Taking 3 wrestlers from 18 weight classes frees up enough spots to add another weight class to all three styles.
And yes, it should be a seeded (firm criteria so as to avoid disputes), double-elimination 16 man bracket. It's silly not to do so, and with three mats there is plenty of time to wrestle two or three weights to completion in one day.
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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on August 26, 2016
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"I may have already asked this at some point in the past, but does anyone have a good explanation as to why wrestling started giving out two bronze medals at World and Olympic competitions? It would make so much more sense to simply have one more match per weight class to actually determine third and fourth place. If I were an athlete who took fourth in another sport and just missed out on a medal, I'd be pissed if I saw that the top four wrestlers get a medal!
Do any other sports give out double bronzes? Judo?"
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I think they do in Judo. I believe boxing started doing it as well.
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Discussion Topic: Double Bronzes
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on August 26, 2016
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"And yes, it should be a seeded (firm criteria so as to avoid disputes), double-elimination 16 man bracket. It's silly not to do so, and with three mats there is plenty of time to wrestle two or three weights to completion in one day."
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I can't stand the rush to get it done in one day. The 100m dash for crying out loud is completed over three days. 18 weight classes. 9 weights completed over first three days. 9 over last three days. Full double elimination tournaments. SO SIMPLE.
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