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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 11, 2018

Intriguing dual for the first six weights. Then the Bucks should roll.

Is Nate going to crush Lizak again? Or will this match be a lot closer. On paper, it would seem closer as Lizak is much better than the last time Nate faced him. Plus this is only Nate's second match at 125.

How legit a threat to Nate is Lizak?



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Jack Muni added to this discussion on January 11, 2018

Nate, just choose neutral. Do not choose down. You can beat him on your feet.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Chris Shepherd added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Quote from Justin Hayes's post:

"

Quote from Rick Wasmer's post:

"And they're from Minnesota :)"



Buncha hosers...;)"



Know what I mean, ey?!? ;-)



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Chris Thomas added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

125- Nato dominates on his feet wins 9-3
133- Pletcher loses a tight one to Mckee 7-5
141- Mekenna wins 5-3
149- Hayes +4 against Brancale or Dec Bleise
157- Micah wins by dec over shorts
165-Wanzek by dec Te'shan has to find offense on his feet
174- Bo by Major
184-Myles by Major or tech
197- Kolin by tech
285- Captain America by pin fall

I think this will be the best test of the season thus far for the Bucks. It is possible they can win at every weight but I don't think that happens here. The most intriguing match up is 133 because Mckee has a wide open style and Pletcher is very methodical. I think Luke drops a close one that will help him open up more moving foward.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

What do you mean by "opening up?" Do you want him shooting doubles from space? Should he try hitting headlocks?

Pletcher is undefeated and second ranked. He doesn't dominate but he wins. His strategy works. He should stick to it.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:

"What do you mean by "opening up?" Do you want him shooting doubles from space? Should he try hitting headlocks?

Pletcher is undefeated and second ranked. He doesn't dominate but he wins. His strategy works. He should stick to it."



Worked for Heil too. ...until it didn't.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Chris Shepherd added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Quote from Mark Niemann's post:

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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:

"What do you mean by "opening up?" Do you want him shooting doubles from space? Should he try hitting headlocks?

Pletcher is undefeated and second ranked. He doesn't dominate but he wins. His strategy works. He should stick to it."



Worked for Heil too. ...until it didn't."



Come on, Niemann! They don't hand out NCAA titles in December and January. We'll see if it still works when the chips are down. ;-)



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Quote from Mark Niemann's post:

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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:

"What do you mean by "opening up?" Do you want him shooting doubles from space? Should he try hitting headlocks?

Pletcher is undefeated and second ranked. He doesn't dominate but he wins. His strategy works. He should stick to it."



Worked for Heil too. ...until it didn't."



Bad comparison. Heil's game included a heavy dose of counter wrestling. The new rules don't allow for rolling around on your back for long stretches.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion on Pletcher but I think some of you are really missing the point. He is physically limited. He is a short wrestler with short arms and short legs. I think his current style is working remarkably well and fits his build. He has turned potential weaknesses into strengths. If he opened up more, he'd give up TD's and lose.

17-0 wrestling a conservative style vs 12-5 or 10-7 with a more wide open style.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Matt Mace added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

I could not agree more with you Hank.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Chris Thomas added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:

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Quote from Mark Niemann's post:

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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:

"What do you mean by "opening up?" Do you want him shooting doubles from space? Should he try hitting headlocks?

Pletcher is undefeated and second ranked. He doesn't dominate but he wins. His strategy works. He should stick to it."



Worked for Heil too. ...until it didn't."



Bad comparison. Heil's game included a heavy dose of counter wrestling. The new rules don't allow for rolling around on your back for long stretches.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion on Pletcher but I think some of you are really missing the point. He is physically limited. He is a short wrestler with short arms and short legs. I think his current style is working remarkably well and fits his build. He has turned potential weaknesses into strengths. If he opened up more, he'd give up TD's and lose.

17-0 wrestling a conservative style vs 12-5 or 10-7 with a more wide open style."



Hank, I never said he needs to change his style. When I was talking about opening up more I was refering to an attack rate increase at some point. Although, Pletcher is 17-0 his body of work doesn't reasonate to the second ranked wrestler in the country in my opinion. He hasn't faced Gross or Brock who will present a few challenges for Luke. It wouldn't totally surprise me if Pletcher, Hayes, and Campbell didn't AA this year. I'm a homer I hope they do but I won't get too high or low until they prove themselves at the show.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Chris Thomas added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Obviously, Luke's skill set doesn't include doubles from space or headlocks(high risk) but he is good at go behinds and low singles. I think he needs to get to his set ups and ties more often in a match. Opening up more for Luke might mean a few more attacks per match. I think that Mckee won't let him get away with just one or two attacks tonight.



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Ben Watson added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

The weather is bumming me out. Have tickets but am thinking the drive from Dayton would be treacherous. Anyone else staying home that was planning on going?



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Cory Surles added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Quote from Ben Watson's post:

"The weather is bumming me out. Have tickets but am thinking the drive from Dayton would be treacherous. Anyone else staying home that was planning on going?"



Me unfortunately!! Got free tickets too being an Army vet :(



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Quote from Ben Watson's post:

"The weather is bumming me out. Have tickets but am thinking the drive from Dayton would be treacherous. Anyone else staying home that was planning on going?"



I had to decide to stay home. My regular trip home took 75 minutes rather than 35...



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Discussion Topic: #2 Bucks vs. #13 Minnesota
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on January 12, 2018

Is anyone headed up to the match that could post results?



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