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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Roe Fox added to this discussion on September 5, 2019
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Winning a dual means a lot. I bought season tickets. I don’t want to drive two hours to see a loss.
Beating TSUN means a lot because of the great rivalry.
Beating PSU means a lot because they are No. 1 and it means something. It also helps when recruiting against them.
If duals mean nothing them don’t do them. Just have tournaments. Why build Covelli?
Many reasons duals count. If you’re going to keep score then you’re goal should be winning.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Alex Creech added to this discussion on September 5, 2019
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"Winning a dual means a lot. I bought season tickets. I don’t want to drive two hours to see a loss.
Beating TSUN means a lot because of the great rivalry.
Beating PSU means a lot because they are No. 1 and it means something. It also helps when recruiting against them.
If duals mean nothing them don’t do them. Just have tournaments. Why build Covelli?
Many reasons duals count. If you’re going to keep score then you’re goal should be winning."
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That's the only reason you go see a dual?
Beating TSUN, pride.
Beating PSU, pride.
I seriously doubt beating PSU in a dual is what swings a recruits decision.
A team's dual record means diddly poo when it comes to team trophies, both for the Big 10 and NCAAs. The result of a dual means nothing in regards to an individual's seeding in the post season.
Duals are fun, brings in the fans, keeps people interested, but winning or losing them has no impact on big tens or ncaas.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on September 5, 2019
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"That's a brutal schedule, good thing duals don't mean anything."
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do duals mean anything? im sure they mean something, esp all-important Seeding at Big Tens. Also dual wins by a wrestler will enhance his record and can get him a Wild Card to the NCAA tourn.
beyond that duals get fans jacked up and maintain season long interest, we don't just get interested in college wrestling in March. Individual rivalries develop in duals. To the best programs --Penn St, Iowa, OKla St-- duals matter. I know Ryan feels that way."
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I agree with what your saying. I love duals from a fan perspective. Nothing better than nail-biting matches between rival teams on a Friday night.
But to Alex's point, unfortunately the team score of a dual has no bearing on the National Title, especially since we no longer have a National Duals. Every week during the season we see coaches "duck" certain guys to preserve seeds, which deprives fans of much-anticipated matches and coaches continue do it because seeding criteria doesn't penalize it.
I really wish that duals had more meaning for team placement or that they reinstate National Duals.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Roe Fox added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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Quote from Alex Creech's post:
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Quote from Roe Fox's post:
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"Winning a dual means a lot. I bought season tickets. I don’t want to drive two hours to see a loss.
Beating TSUN means a lot because of the great rivalry.
Beating PSU means a lot because they are No. 1 and it means something. It also helps when recruiting against them.
If duals mean nothing them don’t do them. Just have tournaments. Why build Covelli?
Many reasons duals count. If you’re going to keep score then you’re goal should be winning."
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That's the only reason you go see a dual?
Beating TSUN, pride.
Beating PSU, pride.
I seriously doubt beating PSU in a dual is what swings a recruits decision.
A team's dual record means diddly poo when it comes to team trophies, both for the Big 10 and NCAAs. The result of a dual means nothing in regards to an individual's seeding in the post season.
Duals are fun, brings in the fans, keeps people interested, but winning or losing them has no impact on big tens or ncaas."
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I’m not sure you understand the nature of “sport” itself. And I’m confident writing anything else will do it.
It’s not “pride.” It’s competition. That alone helps prepare for the end of season. As Urban Meyer has repeatedly said, if they are keeping score you want to win.
If the sole concern is individual end of season results, then we have no need for teams. We can just have college versions of RTCs.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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I’m not sure you understand the nature of “sport” itself. And I’m confident writing anything else will do it."
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I'm confident he does understand. He's stating it has no importance / impact on who in the National Champs. Every other sport, each game impacts the teams ability to make it into the Playoffs / 64 team bracket / etc. Dual results do nothing of the such in wrestling.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Alex Creech added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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I’m not sure you understand the nature of “sport” itself. And I’m confident writing anything else will do it."
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I'm confident he does understand. He's stating it has no importance / impact on who in the National Champs. Every other sport, each game impacts the teams ability to make it into the Playoffs / 64 team bracket / etc. Dual results do nothing of the such in wrestling."
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Thanks Brady, yes, that's pretty much what I'm saying, along with what Jeff said. Maybe I was too vague.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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" He's stating it has no importance / impact on who in the National Champs. Every other sport, each game impacts the teams ability to make it into the Playoffs / 64 team bracket / etc. Dual results do nothing of the such in wrestling."
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that point is true, however Alex didnt say that -- in fact what he said was "That's a brutal schedule, good thing duals don't mean anything."
the phrase "don't mean anything" is a pretty clear statement that certainly opens the door to legitimate rebuttals and opposing opinion.
imo duals do "mean something", quite a lot in fact-- all sports powerhouses have that intangible "Esprit de Corps", built painstakingly thru a season of vigorous competition, accepting challenges, and earning the pride in being the best. Its a journey and duals are an integral part of it.
real and not intangible, fact is "Head to Head" and "Coaches Rankings" and "Winning %" and RPI and Tournament Power are the 5 criteria for Seeding at Big Ten tourn.
Alex said duals have no influence on Seeding, he said "The result of a dual means nothing in regards to an individual's seeding in the post season." ---wrong.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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"Alex said duals have no influence on Seeding, he said "The result of a dual means nothing in regards to an individual's seeding in the post season." ---wrong."
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He is correct. A W or L for the TEAM has NOTHING to do with an INDIVIDUAL seeding.
Or maybe we are talking in the same thread but about different items.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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Quote from Brady Hiatt's post:
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"Alex said duals have no influence on Seeding, he said "The result of a dual means nothing in regards to an individual's seeding in the post season." ---wrong."
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He is correct. A W or L for the TEAM has NOTHING to do with an INDIVIDUAL seeding.
Or maybe we are talking in the same thread but about different items."
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Brady, Alex said simply "the dual means Nothing".
"the dual" is Not just the score of the dual but it includes individual match results. E.G. Head to heads of ranked wrestlers and effects Won-Lost %, both of which are part of the Seeding process. Fact.
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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". Brady, Alex said simply "the dual means Nothing".
"the dual" is Not just the score of the dual but it includes individual match results. E.G. Head to heads of ranked wrestlers and effects Won-Lost %, both of which are part of the Seeding process. Fact."
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My goodness. I mist be the only one to not assume Alex is a wrestling novice.
My inference on what he meant was correct. Fact.
https://youtu.be/UMC3880hyV8 Tom makes same reference here about no consequences for duals (impacting the Team). Like Alex did. I’ll let ya’ll continue and argue with him. ????
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Alex Creech added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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Quote from Brady Hiatt's post:
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Quote from Bob Preusse's post:
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". Brady, Alex said simply "the dual means Nothing".
"the dual" is Not just the score of the dual but it includes individual match results. E.G. Head to heads of ranked wrestlers and effects Won-Lost %, both of which are part of the Seeding process. Fact."
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My goodness. I mist be the only one to not assume Alex is a wrestling novice.
My inference on what he meant was correct. Fact.
https://youtu.be/UMC3880hyV8 Tom makes same reference here about no consequences for duals (impacting the Team). Like Alex did. I’ll let ya’ll continue and argue with him. ????"
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SERENITY NOW!
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Discussion Topic: 2019-20 Buckeyes
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on September 6, 2019
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". SERENITY NOW!"
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For the W!!
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