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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Bill Splete added to this discussion on February 7, 2020
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Interview on flo, he opens up and it's the first time I ever heard this stuff, great talent but had some real physical struggles he reveals and it's very relevant for today's kids competing and training.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jeff Reid added to this discussion on February 7, 2020
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jared Ball added to this discussion on February 7, 2020
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Being a central Ohio guy it’s pretty cool to see a kid that started out locally move on to do some impressive things. I was surprised to hear about them moving to Graham from DeSales when they did, and even more surprised about Dustins move up to Perry. I had always heard there was some Tom Foolery involved in the circumstances surrounding the move to Perry. Dustin put it very diplomatically! Seems to be finding a niche in coaching with the Gophers.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Matt Schein added to this discussion on February 7, 2020
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In can’t imagine what kind of pressure he was under for as long as he was and as
Young as he was
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on February 8, 2020
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Quote from Matt Schein's post:
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"In can’t imagine what kind of pressure he was under for as long as he was and as
Young as he was"
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i cant access behind the paywall, however i saw the pressure he was under. Perhaps the two most anticipated matches in Ohio that i recall, David Taylor vs Logan Stieber at Ironman and Dustin Schlatter vs Brent Metcalf at Medina.
after he lost in rideout to Metcalf i saw him and his Dad siting in a corner outside the gym, Dustin was sobbing.
i recall telling a couple Walsh coaches who had drilled with Schlatter that Metcalf was good enough to win. They didnt know Metcalf and couldnt believe what i was telling them. ...Brakeman at the match was astounded. ...Battle of giants.
like the great Alan Fried he didnt get all he wanted, but both achieved alot. ...bottom line Great expectations can be crushing.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 8, 2020
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I haven't finished listening to the whole interview but he had a significant concussion problem while still in high school at a time when most of the medical community didn't understand how to treat them. He alludes to this affecting him at Ironman the year he took 5th.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Roe Fox added to this discussion on February 8, 2020
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His match with Mike Miller of Lake was epic.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jason L. Jackson added to this discussion on February 8, 2020
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I was at the Schlatter-Metcalf match and Dustin got robbed. Had the takedown in regulation to win it.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jack Muni added to this discussion on February 8, 2020
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Quote from Bob Preusse's post:
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Quote from Matt Schein's post:
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"In can’t imagine what kind of pressure he was under for as long as he was and as
Young as he was"
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i cant access behind the paywall, however i saw the pressure he was under. Perhaps the two most anticipated matches in Ohio that i recall, David Taylor vs Logan Stieber at Ironman and Dustin Schlatter vs Brent Metcalf at Medina.
after he lost in rideout to Metcalf i saw him and his Dad siting in a corner outside the gym, Dustin was sobbing.
i recall telling a couple Walsh coaches who had drilled with Schlatter that Metcalf was good enough to win. They didnt know Metcalf and couldnt believe what i was telling them. ...Brakeman at the match was astounded. ...Battle of giants.
like the great Alan Fried he didnt get all he wanted, but both achieved alot. ...bottom line Great expectations can be crushing."
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I was at Medina and it was the first time I saw a standing ovation BEFORE the match even started.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Gary Lusson added to this discussion on February 8, 2020
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"Never a horse that couldn't be rode, never a man that couldn't be throwed" might seems like just some silly cowboy saying or wrestling room slogan, but it's actually a deep (dare I say zen-like) truth.
A truth that many athletes--wrestlers included--often find difficult to accept. To reach the top you must feel that you cannot be beaten. But at the highest levels, your opponent feels the same. Something must give.
It's always been a tough one, still is.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Christopher Henderson added to this discussion on February 9, 2020
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on February 11, 2020
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Great ride and mat returns by Schlatter in the 1st period.
After watching that match I watched their 2008 Big Ten Finals match and it got me thinking about just how many more stall calls Metcalf would have gotten on his opponents if they had the out of bounds stalling back then.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on February 11, 2020
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Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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Great ride and mat returns by Schlatter in the 1st period.
After watching that match I watched their 2008 Big Ten Finals match and it got me thinking about just how many more stall calls Metcalf would have gotten on his opponents if they had the out of bounds stalling back then."
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That would be true of a LOT of matches prior to the rules change.
Keep in mind that pushing the opponent out is no different than backing out. Both can be penalized.
At least in HS matches, I see so much less in the way of OOB's calls that it amazes me.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on February 13, 2020
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Quote from Jim Behrens's post:
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Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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Great ride and mat returns by Schlatter in the 1st period.
After watching that match I watched their 2008 Big Ten Finals match and it got me thinking about just how many more stall calls Metcalf would have gotten on his opponents if they had the out of bounds stalling back then."
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That would be true of a LOT of matches prior to the rules change.
Keep in mind that pushing the opponent out is no different than backing out. Both can be penalized.
At least in HS matches, I see so much less in the way of OOB's calls that it amazes me."
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I agree that lots of past matches would have played out differently under today's rules; I was just commenting on this one because it was relevant. I've watched several old college matches and thought the same thing - Kendall Cross vs. Terry Brands in the 1989 NCAA semis comes to mind.
I've been coaching the NCWA team at the University of Akron since 2014, so I'm aware that both pushing and backing out in neutral can be called as stalling. Our first season was before the rule change, and the difference was quite noticeable the second season. I really like the rule.
In the Schlatter vs Metcalf Big Ten match, many of the out of bounds calls were off of Metcalf's offense, so he wasn't just shoving Schlatter out of bounds.
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Discussion Topic: Dustin Schlatter
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on February 13, 2020
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Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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In the Schlatter vs Metcalf Big Ten match, many of the out of bounds calls were off of Metcalf's offense, so he wasn't just shoving Schlatter out of bounds."
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Jeff,
I certainly did not mean otherwise. Lots of things would be different and, IMO, for the better.
Regarding the last line above, about 8 or so years ago, I started looking very seriously at how we got near the line or OOB's. The first time was a freebie and the second time I was looking at who took the action there. The third time, assuming it was the same guy, he was getting a stalling warning. I told kids this in the locker room and I don't think I ever had a coach complain.
The rules change a couple of years ago gave 'teeth" to what I was doing.
In light of what was written above, unless it was just wrestling "action" that moved the wrestlers toward the OOB's, I would be looking for the reason so many shots took them out. I haven't watched that match in years but was Schlatter being forced backward? Did he have the ability to go right or left instead of backward? Was Metcalf just bulldozing him backward? These are all things that have to be looked at when a call is made or not made.
BTW, I have very different thoughts on stalling than many of the NCAA refs (at least those on TV) have. To me, many of the stalling calls are completely unwarranted. I would love to see them try to work up when Spencer Lee has his bar and half on them. Being overpowered, in my book, is not stalling. Just my $.02.
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