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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Anthony Petrella added to this discussion on March 22, 2008
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Big 10 - 30 All-Americans
Big 12 - 19 All-Americans
EIWA - 10 All-Americans
MAC - 5 All-Americans
PAC-10 - 5 All-Americans
CAA - 3 All-Americans
EWL - 3 All-Americans
SC - 2 All-Americans
ACC - 1 All-American
Ivy League - 1 All-American
Big West - 1 All-American
Can I say Big 10 Domination?
Congratulations to the Buckeyes on a 2nd Place showing, Especially Jaggers, Pucillo, and Bergman.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on March 22, 2008
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Great job by the Big Ten.
The MAC deserves more bids.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Ken Ramsey Sr. added to this discussion on March 23, 2008
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The Big 12 has a higher % of AAs. The Big 12 with 5 teams (50 wrestlers) has 38% of its wrestlers AA. The Big 10 with 11 teams (110 wrestlers) has 27.3% of its wrestlers AA. So it depends on how you look at the results. Who's really the dominant one?
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 23, 2008
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14 of the 20 finalists were Big Ten wrestlers. That's another way of looking at it.
It's clear that there are two major conferences in collegiate wrestling and everyone else is at a markedly lower level. That's not necessarily good but it's currently the case.
Ultimately, the best kids choose to attend the best programs.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Anthony Petrella added to this discussion on March 23, 2008
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When you say that the Big 12 has a better percentage....
They are going to because the Big 10 sends more guys to the NCAA's and people might say that they shouldn't send 7 out of the 11 but they proved this weekend that the Big 10 deserves 7 qualifiers. Regardless, no one is saying the Big 12 wasn't good but they just aren't on the same level as the Big 10.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on March 24, 2008
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There were 14 Big Ten finalists.
ALL 10 weight classes were represented by the BigTen in the finals and 4 of those finals matches were Big Ten vs. Big Ten.
Not bad. It will be interesting to see how things pan out for next year.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 1, 2008
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next season the way NCAA Quals will be awarded to conferences is no longer based on past performance-- we will see how it works, or if it works.
but right now, its
all about making the most of the Quals you are awarded,
and despite complaints by the MAC about their number of Quals they had only 4 AAs to show for their 19 Quals-- ACC always crying the blues but had only 2 AAs for their 14 Quals.
by contrast although they get the most,
Big Ten
had 44 % of thier 72 Quals make AA.
Big 12
(5 schools wrestle) had 50 % of their 38 Quals make AA. In % of Quals who make AA, these 2 conferences led the way, as usual.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on April 1, 2008
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Does anybody see this new method of qualification resulting in the Big 10 (or perhaps the Big 12) losing some of its qualifiers???
I think it could.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 1, 2008
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It could, I agree -- WHY, someone asks? Because the INTENT of the overhaul is to give the have-nots like the ACC more qualifiers.
The ACC is very powerful. You ask WHY?
Because the ACC provides alot of college football and basketball revenue
, they have the ear of the NCAA. The ACC is saying, "if we only get 14 measly qualifiers, why should we build better facilities? Why spend money on wrestling? Maybe we should even drop it." It's called leverage.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on April 1, 2008
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A couple thoughts.
1. Is promoting the sport in other conferences a bad thing? It seems that many fans of the Big Ten and Big Twelve would want there to be only two conferences. Promotion of the sport in other conferences, and in this way other parts of the country, could only help the sport gain popularity. It would be outstanding if the ACC schools became more competitive.
2. The MAC doesn't complain, this is not a fair assessment. I do think the MAC has passed many of the other conferences and now holds serve right after the top 3, maybe 4, representing bodies in wrestling. MAC fans should be disappointed that kids such as Krueger, Claire, and Chine have to stay home.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 2, 2008
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MAC only had 4 AAs this year, out of 19 Quals, not a very good percentage-- have to do better to get more Quals.
The MAC is getting
what they've earned
. Number of Quals is based on
a conferences Round of 12 participants, a running average of the 3 most recent years.
but as i said new system will be in place next season, past performance can no longer be used--- i will be very interested to see how it works out ? i am guessing there will be alot of controversy.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on April 2, 2008
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Bob - where can we see a list of total qualifiers per conference?
I would think the MAC compares favorably in AA's per qualifier with all but the top 2 or 3 conferences.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Gary Sommers added to this discussion on April 2, 2008
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Quote from Anthony Petrella's post:
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"Big 10 - 30 All-Americans
Big 12 - 19 All-Americans
E.I.W.A. - 10 All-Americans
M.A.C. - 5 All-Americans
PAC 10 - 5 All-Americans
C.A.A. - 3 All-Americans
E.W.L. - 3 All-Americans
S.C. - 2 All-Americans
A.C.C. - 1 All-American
Ivy League - 1 All-American
Big West - 1 All-American
Can I say Big 10 Domination?
Congratulations to the Buckeyes on a 2nd Place showing, Especially Jaggers, Pucillo, and Bergman."
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I am not sure that 30 out of 80 is "domination", I am actually pretty sure it is not, but obviously the Big 10 had the most and that can be celebrated without the hyperbole.
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on April 2, 2008
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Quote from Gary Sommers's post:
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"I am not sure that 30 out of 80 is "domination", I am actually pretty sure it is not, but obviously the Big 10 had the most and
that can be celebrated without the hyperbole.
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I'm glad and I will...as soon as I find out what that means!!! <banghead> Oh you tSUN grads! [/u]
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Discussion Topic: All-American Brakedown by Conference
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 2, 2008
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"Bob - where can we see a list of total qualifiers per conference?"
----- i don't know, i have it scribled down somewhere.
Try InterMat www.intermatwrestle.com Should be on there somewhere.
"I would think the MAC compares favorably in AA's per qualifier with all but the top 2 or 3 conference"
----- The MACs 4 AAs out of 19 Quals is nothing to brag about, although ACC had only 2 AAs out of 14 Quals
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Esp considering
at least 3 of the 4 AAs are from C Michigan
, the Sinnot bros and 197 Michalac---- i'm not sure who the MACs 4th AA is ? but the rest of the MAC aint carrying their share of the load. If C Michigan wasnt in the MAC, the conference would get alot less Quals.
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