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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 23, 2008
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Have you seen the takedown that was awarded to Mark Perry near the end of his match with Nick Marable in the semis? What's your opinion if you have?
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on March 23, 2008
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Hank,
I know that official pretty well..worked 6 NCAA D3's with him. He gave the TD with a cradle, the hips weren't on the mat, nor was he broke down..and he somewhat out front...tough tough call. I would love to hear his side of it, what he saw and what he felt as to why he gave the TD.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on March 23, 2008
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Mr. Feeney,
What was your feeling on the fleeing the mat call in the Poeta vs. Leen match? I was not aware that fleeing could be called when they did not go out of bounds.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on March 23, 2008
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Scott....it is a college rule. The tv guys have no clue what the interp was. the NCAA rules video shows it very clear in almost this exact situation.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Ryan Peters added to this discussion on March 24, 2008
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Fred-
After reading your comment regarding the rule interpretation of "Fleeing" I am very confused. In the Jordan Leen match the official called fleeing and the wrestlers were never called out of bounds. I was very surprised by this call. From what you wrote - you don't have to leave the mat in order to be called for fleeing. This seems like a stalling call to me. Your comment does not make sense especially after reading the NCAA (2007) Rules. Please explain. (the rule are listed below)
Fleeing Wrestling Area
SECTION 14. Fleeing the wrestling area or forcing an opponent out of the
wrestling area as a means of avoiding being scored upon, is a technical
violation. Both wrestlers should make every effort to remain in bounds.
Fleeing occurs any time a wrestler avoids wrestling by intentionally going
out of bounds, by pulling the opponent out of bounds or by pushing the
opponent out of bounds. Fleeing the wrestling area will not follow the
disqualification sequence. The penalty will be one match point for each
infraction. (See Penalty Table.)
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on March 24, 2008
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Ryan...the NCAA rules video and the interps we got said that if a wrestler starts to head out of bounds....we can and should hit him for fleeing, even before he actually gets out of bounds.
Watch the video...you will see the interp yourself.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Ryan Peters added to this discussion on March 25, 2008
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Fred-
Has this rule been properly explained to all of the coaches and wrestlers that compete at NCAA sanctioned events? I realize that you are telling us that the video you (and other officials) watched explained the rule but do the coaches and wrestlers at the NCAA level have access to this NCAA Rules video? If not, then two things need to happen. 1) All coaches and wrestlers need to be given access to this Rules video and 2) the rule as it is currently written needs to be reworked in efforts to better explain the Fleeing the mat rule. I think most coaches and wrestlers are used to reading rules as opposed to watching them on video. Is this NCAA Video accessible to everyone?
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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If the interp video calls it that way, then fine, no problem there, but Poeta did have two ankles controlled by one arm and other arm around waste with Leen on his hip. Takedown.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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Ryan...Any referee that does NCAA matches must watch the video...as does a "representative" of every NCAA wrestling team..it is mandatory.
Brady, I thought the same thing as I watched the finals...however, I think if you see it from another angle, when Poeta got the other arm around the waist, which met the criteria for a TD....that action took his toe off the out of bounds line..hence...no TD.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Mark Palumbo added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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Fred,
Different question. At what point should a ref stop talking and start making staling calls? In some matches in the upper weight classes, I herd the ref say things like "more offense" "take some risk" "more action" "open up". I can see saying this once or twice, but in some of the matches the ref kept saying these things while the kids were wrestling and on breaks. It did not change the way they approched the match. Do you think they were talking just to hear themselves talk becuase they were mic'd. If you want more action just call more stals. If it were freestlye or greco you'd get called for not presenting yourself. During the broadcast of the NCAA's the comitators ever said these verbal warings were almost like calling stalling without the effects of a call. If these guys were lighter they would have ben called for stalling. Is it me or do the upper weights get away with being much less active on the mat?
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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Mark,
In the old days the only three words that could be spoke by there referee were, action, center, contact. That is actually still in the NFHS rule book. I personally talk a lot more than that, and it tends to keep me out of trouble. Stuff like, work center, pick it up etc. In a dual meet, I tell the teams, "when I start to talk, I am getting ready to call stalling".
I heard a lot of chatter, in the finals, same as last year, but I agree...talk is cheap without following it up. I had college coach once tell me that if you tell my team you are going to hit stalling, hit it.
One thing... in the Fox/Bergman match, the problem with that match was all the blood stoppages... it really messes up the shot count, counter count, head block count, and plain non-response back up count.
The other thing is in a national finals, how much does the referee get involved in the match, with heavies... when the last 3 times they wrestled, it was the same type of match?
Interesting, and yes... stalling is called different I think, between a 125# match and 285# match.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Robert Lambert added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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Fred-- A question regarding the Poeta/flee call. Does action "always" need to be stopped with a flee call? I understand the interp that both wrestlers do not need to leave the mat for the official to make the call. Does he need to stop the action though?
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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Fred: In general, I thought the finals matches involving Bergman and Pucillo were well officiated. Why? Because the ref stayed out of it. Too few stalling calls is better than too many IMO.
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Mike Taylor added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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Fred, are you any relation to Mike Feeney?
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Discussion Topic: Question for Fred Feeney
Fred Feeney added to this discussion on March 26, 2008
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Robert....no the action is never stopped for a flee call unless both wrestlers are out of bounds....it is not required to stop the match for this penalty. The Even if the wrestler comes back in...as Poeta did....wrestling will continue.
Hank....I agree100%. Let them decide it. I talked to that referee a few days ago...he felt the same way but was preapred to hit either and was so close he said a few times but something changed every time, be it blood stoppage or a decent movement.
Coaches need to coach how to get a stall call...called. I guarantee you had J.D. pressed Dustin more than he did, the referee would be forced...due to the action to make the call. Remember this...the opposite of action is no action. If you want a stall call..you have to pick the action up to the point the referee has no choice but to make the call. In this match....the referee felt that there was just enough force vs force to warrant no stalling calls. then in OT.....there would probably never be a stall call made..unless either Dustins Mom or J.D.'s mom stood up and screamed..."hey ref..my kid is stalling!!!!" That doesn't happen very often now does it?
Mike....we are somewhere down the line. His dad Mike and I have chatted about that several times....and speaking of his dad....Mike Sr..if you read this...hope all is well my friend.
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