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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Doug Noel added to this discussion on April 15, 2008
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Tom Ryan awarded coach of the year by RevWrestling!!! Way to go Mr. Ryan GO OSU
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Brad Proudfoot added to this discussion on April 15, 2008
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Dan Cosimi added to this discussion on April 15, 2008
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Elliot Lewis added to this discussion on April 16, 2008
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Dan Ransick added to this discussion on April 16, 2008
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When I first met Tom Ryan back in the spring of 2006 at the state freestyle tournament he stated he had a goal and that was to turn the Ohio State program into a powerhouse. Tom has done that such a short time with his ability to bring the best out of each of his wrestlers and start to build that massive wall around the state of Ohio.
This is a well deserved honor for Tom Ryan and is a testament to his ability to execute his vision he had. Congratulations Tom.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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Devil's Advocate:
Not denying that Tom Ryan has done a great job. He has. I think that there's a sense of professionalism and organization in Columbus now that was lacking in the past. I think he arrived with a clear understanding of the program's major flaws and moved quickly to fix them. Moreover, he's created a sense of pride in the program that has paid immediate dividends as Ohio's wrestling community is paying attention to Columbus.
Having said all that:
1) He inherited a lot of talent. The staff has done excellent work with Palmer, Bergman and Jaggers, but all three were here when he arrived. Fairly or not, a coach gets less credit than he sometimes deserves for the work done with talent brought in by another coach.
2) The "fence" has not been built around Ohio. While Ohio State was driving hard to land Alex Meade and Jordan Oliver, many fine wrestlers went elsewhere. Roddy, Moore, Cubberly, Witt, Boyd... just to name a few. You can't recruit everyone but lavishly talented out-of-state prospects are always more difficult to land and the focus on them appears to have detrimentally affected their ability to sign other wrestlers that might have helped. Oklahoma State has to sign out-of-state prospects; Ohio State doesn't. If Ohio State never signed a single out of state prospect, they could still win a national title. Keith Witt, in particular, would have looked great in scarlet and grey. He's a 171 pound state champ from Oak Harbor who could have provided immediate help to a program with a huge hole. Granted, I don't know Witt's grades, etc... but it's odd that they missed on a kid from Oak Harbor. As a result, the Bucks have an incoming recruiting class that's long on potential but has no one likely to provide immediate help ie: Triggas, Sponseller, Palmer.
3) There is a lot of pressure on Coach Ryan to put together another great recruiting class especially sign David Taylor. Prior to Coach Ryan's arrival, Ohio State recruiting was more known for the great prospects that went elsewhere. I think that signing David Taylor, the finest Ohio high school talent since Dustin Schlatter, would send the message that Ohio's best are now committed to becoming Buckeyes. I think landing him is important not only from a talent perspective but a symbolic perspective as well. Also... Collin Palmer may well go elsewhere which puts even more pressure on Ohio State to land the state's best prospect. Simply put, can the Bucks sign David Taylor? If they land him early, one can imagine another stellar recruiting class falling into place. More to the point, Coach Ryan needs to show that "the fence" is up.
Just my thoughts. FWIW, I wouldn't trade Coach Ryan for anyone else. I think it's obvious, he has done a great job and am confident he'll continue to do so. I also think David Taylor will sign with Ohio State.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Dan Cosimi added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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Hank:
David Taylor is an awesome wrestler (and a very nice kid too). But do the Buckeyes
need
to sign him? I don't think so. Even the best teams won't get all of the greatest recruits. Think about this: the Buckeyes finished 2nd in the nation, well ahead of a team that had Dustin and C.P. Schlatter in their lineup.
That said, nothing would make me happier than seeing David Taylor and Collin Palmer in scarlet and gray. Those two alone might make the Buckeye recruits of 2009 the #1 class in the nation. Then add in whoever else they might get...
Everything is in Ohio State's favor: arguably the best coaches in the nation, an elite team that will be in the running for a national championship very soon, and a prestigious school with great academics and campus life. Who wouldn't want to go to Ohio State?
If we do end up getting Taylor and Palmer, that's a HUGE step toward being national champions. And we all know who comes immediately after them... Monroeville.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Mike Taylor added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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While I do not want to minimize Tom's accomplishments this year, I think it would be wise to hold off on stating that we are now a national powerhouse. We've had really good years in the past (granted none as good as finishing 2nd in the NCAA team standings) only to fall off during the next few years. I am holding off with the "mission complete" statement until I see what happens over the next couple of years. I don't expect top 3 every year from here on. However, will his future teams have the same toughness he wanted to develop in this team? We will see. I do, however, feel Tom is the right guy for the job and the staff he has put together rivals any out there as the best. While I'm holding off saying Tom has built a national powerhouse until a later time, I feel I will be saying that soon.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Roe Fox added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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It may be too early to say dynasty yet but with a majority of point scorers, including two champions, returning, powerhouse is what they ought to be next year. Whether it happens will be the difference between the beginning of a dynasty or just another sporadically good year.
They should be a great dual team, too. Not one weak spot through 165, then Pucillo and Weakley (with a year under his belt).
Seems Ryan has started so well the expectations will already be tough to live up to.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Mike Taylor added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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Quote from Roe Fox's post:
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"It may be too early to say dynasty yet but with a majority of point scorers, including two champions, returning, powerhouse is what they ought to be next year. Whether it happens will be the difference between the beginning of a dynasty or just another sporadically good year.
They should be a great dual team, too. Not one weak spot through 165, then Pucillo and Weakley (with a year under his belt).
Seems Ryan has started so well the expectations will already be tough to live up to."
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The situation I'm refering to is what happened with Larry Coker. Wins a national title his first year, people sing his praises, things started coming unraveled after the 2003 NC game, then people say (after a few bad years) he is the worst thing to ever happen to Miami. Then you have Tressel who won a title his second year and has maintained an outstanding football program ever since. My point is, Ryan could be either one of those stories at this point. We have no way of knowing until a few years down the road when we see what he brings in and if he can sustain a high level of performance from his team year in and year out.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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Quoting from Hank:
1) He (Tom Ryan) inherited a lot of talent.
---yes Hank, BUT Ohio st had
2 straight last place Big Ten finishes and 2 very low NCAA finishes, like 45th and 54th
, in the 2 years before Ryan. Ryan gets credit for righting the ship, without question.
2) The "fence" has not been built around Ohio. While Ohio State was driving hard to land Alex Meade and Jordan Oliver, many fine wrestlers went elsewhere. Roddy, Moore, Cubberly, Witt, Boyd... just to name a few.
----yes again Hank, BUT with 9.9
can never build a fence
around Ohio, in football Ohio St can come much closer maybe, but they have 85 full scholarships to work with.
Re Jordan Oliver and Meade, Ohio state came in 2nd for both, a CLOSE 2nd too
, and the talent level of those 2 kids is too great to overlook, cant blame Ohio St for going for it. Cubberly was always going to follow his bro to C Mich. Roddy chose Northwestern over Ohio st, cant blame him, NU a great school. Boyd & Moore werent the projected weight class of 174 that Ohio st was looking to spend $$$ on.
3) There is a lot of pressure on Coach Ryan to put together another great recruiting class especially sign David Taylor.
---- yes again Hank, and despite what DanC posted,
i KNOW coach Ryan considers David Taylor a Must-Sign,
plain & simple. A kid with this kind of talent, and totally dedicated to wrestling, is very SPECIAL. If Ohio St loses Taylor there will be NO solace, no excuses, just the Bummed Out Blues in the Ohio st coaches offices.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Dan Cosimi added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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Quote from Bob Preusse's post:
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"There is a lot of pressure on Coach Ryan to put together another great recruiting class especially sign David Taylor.
---- yes again Hank, and despite what DanC posted,
I KNOW coach Ryan considers David Taylor a Must-Sign,
plain & simple. A kid with this kind of talent, and totally dedicated to wrestling, is very SPECIAL. If Ohio St loses Taylor there will be NO solace, no excuses, just the Bummed Out Blues in the Ohio st coaches offices.
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David Taylor is very special and he is a tremendously talented wrestler, BUT... while it would really hurt not to get him, it wouldn't be the end of the world... like I said, we missed out on both Schlatter brothers and we still were 2nd in the nation. Was Dustin not a "must-sign"? What about C.P.?
(Note: I still think the Buckeyes should make every effort possible to sign David Taylor as soon as possible. I just disagree with people thinking it is life or death for the Buckeyes based on if he chooses to continue his wrestling career elsewhere.)
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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Bob: Your point about the 9.9 limiting what a squad can do is well taken. But, somehow Penn State, Iowa and Okie State seem able to bring in a lot of great talent with that 9.9. How do they do it? Can we? How did Iowa land Colby Covington when their room is stocked already and a good incoming class was locked up?
Dan: Signing David Taylor is as much about symbolism as talent. In states such as Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois, the best wrestlers almost always attend the elite schools in those states. Ohio State wants the same cache within Ohio. While it's impossible to get them all, it is possible to frequently sign the best of the best. Ohio State just finished a spectacular season. But it's not likely to repeat too often if they can't "build the fence." They'll always be good. But look at this year's NCAA tourney and you'll see how close many teams are. Iowa State, Okie State, Mizzou, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Illinois, Minny, NW, Wiscy, CMU, Cornell....all these teams are loaded with talent. And all of them are chasing Iowa. I think the only way to get an edge in this very tight competition--and become the one team to rival the Hawkeyes--is to get Ohio's elite to always think Buckeyes first. It's more of the case now than prior to Coach Ryan's arrival. But it's not yet the reality it is in other states.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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Dan, of course "nothing is the end of the world" as you put it, we all agree on that. But i know for a fact coach Ryan considers signing David Taylor a Must-Sign. Thats his mentality on the issue, thats the point i was making--- thats how Ryan sees it.
Hank posts, "Bob: Your point about the 9.9 limiting what a squad can do is well taken. But, somehow Penn State, Iowa and Okie State seem able to bring in a lot of great talent with that 9.9. How do they do it? Can we? "
Hank, Iowa and Oklahoma St have won many NCAA team titles, they have storied histories. Ohio St in wrestling doesnt have a storied history, thats the difference. Also both schools lose in state talent to rivals Iowa St and Oklahoma, too.
Penn St loses ALOT of in state talent
over the years, you know that.
Where was Oklahoma States 2008 NCAA champ Coleman Scott from ? Waynesburg PA. Where is Oklahoma States super recruit Jordan Oliver from ? Easton PA.
Hank, my point was
with only 9.9 no one in a state with the high school talent of Ohio or PA, no one can "build a fence"
as you put it.
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Discussion Topic: Tom Ryan named RevWrestling's "Coach of the Year"
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on April 17, 2008
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A little aside and certainly not the thrust of their recruiting campaign, but I'd like to see tOSU cultivate a reputation for snagging most of our 4xers (obviously they already have Jaggers and Palmer).
I'm thinking something pithy, like after each State Tournament in which we have a 3xer who is a Junior (and will be going for his 4th title the following year), tOSU ensures they receive a slick t-shirt that reads, "Ohio State University Wrestling" on the front and "Where 4xers Go To Become National Champions" on the back.
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