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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Jeremiah Webber added to this discussion on June 29, 2008
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OK... What did Johnstone do to you? You sound a little bitter.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Scott Shaw added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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Bob, I am going to have to agree with Dan on the "out of control" thing. Ohio State is not Ivy league, or Northwestern, or Stanford. OSU is not even a Miami. There is nothing wrong with high academic standards and I am not a fan of the "remedial classes" either, but that is more a story of our high schools rather than a state university's standards.
Let me explain what I mean. My wife just graduated from Ohio State in December. She graduated six and half years after graduating from high school because she started at BGSU and then transferred back home to attend Ohio State (changing her major in the process.) Her first choice of schools upon graduating HS was Ohio State. My wife graduated in the top 10 in her class with a 3.65 GPA and a 28 on the ACT. She took all college prep courses including AP History, AP Lit., and AP Calc. She was a two sport athlete (lettering 4x in both basketball and softball,) was vice-president of her class all four years, was captain of both of her sports teams as a junior and senior, was president of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes at her high school, was Prom Committee chairperson, was the student body liason (the first in her school districts history) to the School Board, volunteered with her mother at a local food bank, and saved a young woman's life by climbing into a wrecked car and applying a tourniquet around her upper arm which had been severed just above the elbow. She was a daggone American hero. She was put on a waiting list to start Spring Quarter. So my question for you is this. If that is not "out of control" what is?
Sorry to be off topic.
I am glad that it is not Johnstone transferring to KSU, but I am glad that it is a top notch transfer.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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Coach Shaw: Your wife sounds like one very impressive woman. Takes a confident man to marry someone so accomplished.
I can't believe she was wait-listed as those criteria are well above the current standards to get admitted to Ohio State. There must have been some mitigating circumstance. Perhaps it had to do with the fact it was spring quarter and space was limited?
I hope people don't get too caught up in choosing sides between Nemec and Johnstone. Both will compete this year. And the more deserving wrestler will start.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Rex Holman added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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Some intercollegiate athletes are given priority over other students dependent upon their anticipated contribution to the school's athletic teams. This happens at every university to a varying degree. The practice back in the day was to have an application that was sent through the athletic team's office that was handled through the AD or a stamp with athletics was on the application. Also, it is is helpful to know the most powerful people at that school i.e. Gee and Tressel. There was an article in the Dispatch about an OSU football player who had gained admittance into into UM Medical School and shortly thereafter Tressel made a call and that football player was accepted into tOSU Medical School. Sometimes your associations are key to your success. The adage about who you know plays true.
With regard to the law of supply and demand, it sounds like tOSU is in extremely high demand.
I am looking forward to the wrestle-off between Johnstone and Nemec. I think Bob hits it on the the head with Nemec needing to develop his escapes and attacks off bottom. You cannot be weak in any position especially when someone is extremely familiar with your attacks. Otherwise it is a toss-up. Power vs. Finesse
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Steve Lester added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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Obviously I have a tremendous regard for Sean Nemec. A lot of it has to do with what he had to go through on the mat his senior year. So, sure, I'd like to see him out there.
But, regardless of who gets the starting spot, I hope both men keep a positive team-oriented attitude and cheer for the other (while staying ready). We're scoring points at 157 this year!
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Brian Morrow added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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I have nothing against Johnstone he is a Buckeye. I just feel Nemec is the better wrestler for us to get the points
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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obviously whoever doesnt start at 157 for Ohio St will be pissed---- thats just how super-competitive sports are, and wrestlers are as competitive as any and have sacrificed so much. Who wouldnt be pissed ?
"experience" means so very much, but talent often trumps experience. Does Nemec have enough talent to trump? He was
really great in hs
, ranked the # 2 senior in nation his senior year in his weight class DESPITE needing surgery on both foreams as soon as the season was over. ----- We will see.
Scott Shaw,
i have no dog in the fight, i cant speak to Ohio States admission policies. Maybe someone misplaced your wife's resume, who knows ? sounds like you r a lucky man. -----
but in general i am in favor of higher standards, wherever--- in America for too long lower standards have been the rule. The mediocre were made to feel good about their achievements.
There's a reason today GM is a $ 10 stock and Ford Motor is $4, and they used to be the worlds two largest auto companies.
Our public school system which made America great has slipped badly overall, though there are pockets of strength. Used to be even Cleveland public schools were outstanding
, yes outstanding its true. My taxes havent gone down just because the Cleveland public schools have slipped badly and now serve less than one half the students that they served when i first moved to Cleveland to take a job in 1972.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Ken Maltry added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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I followed OSU wrestling only casually before this past season, so I'm not really familiar with Nemec. Can anyone provide a link or a little history on Nemec? Is he a true 157? I get the impression the Johnstone is a 141 or a 149 that has to wrestle up b/c of a logjam of talent ahead of him at the lower weights. I suppose that Johnstone and Nemec must have wrestled a lot in practice. Any word on who had the upper hand?
Johnstone definitely improved as the season wore on, no doubt about that. Will he take another step forward before next season? Will he be able to add more bulk so he'll be at less of a physical disadvantage?
Thanks.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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"I suppose that Johnstone and Nemec must have wrestled a lot in practice."
----- Ken, i don't believe they did, i heard they avoided each other like wolves getting ready to fight, but i have no firsthand knowledge since i don't reside near Columbus, am unable to get over to practice..
Nemec is not too tall but very powerful, Johnstone is quite a bit taller but doesnt have a big upperbody for a 157. A contrast, and until they meet a few times with alot on the line-- like a starting spot--- no one will know for sure. So, in a way, debating it is kind of meaningless & boring, to me anyway. Bottom line: both are going to be pretty good 157s next season.
as Steve Lester, said, Ohio st will score this coming season at 157.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Nicholas Sestito added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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Now granted I only sat in on one practice and this was not an in-season practice at the beginning of this past school year, but here is what I remember. Nemec and Johnstone were not training together. Nemec was drilling with Palmer and Johnstone was on the bike the entire practice because of injury, I can only guess. Nemec looked pretty tough in general and was for a time working with Coach Heskett specifically on escaping from the bottom when the top man has the legs in. So from this one can see that Nemec is pretty committed to improving his wrestling and going after that starting spot and I'm sure that with a taste of nearly becoming All-American, Johnstone is going to be hungry. Either way, both of these guys are going to be battling hard for the 157 spot and both will deliver.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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"OSU is not even a Miami."
Scott Shaw,
to re-visit your above comment, it appears there is evidence u are wrong.
The Plain Dealer this winter or spring publsihed a survey of Ohio's colleges--- i cant recall who did the ranking but colleges were ranked in various categiories/departments and
Ohio st U was ranked higher than Miami in almost every category
. In fact Ohio St was ranked above CASE WESTERN RESERVE in most categories. Its true.
the hs football coach i mentioned earlier, a math teacher at an area private school, who sent one son to Northwestern, he told me his daughter was elated to learn she just got into Ohio st U, it was a close call--- he told me she had already been admitted to Miami.
the transition from "the good old state school" to premier school over the last decade has occured with most people being unaware of it, unless they have sons/daughters trying to get admitted to colleges.....thats not me, but i do hear and read things from people who should know.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Josh Lowe added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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I look at what is coming back at 157, AA run is going to be tough for EITHER Nemec or Johnstone.
I feel pretty confident that Gillespie, Poeta, Vallimont, Sanderson, and Leen will be in very good positions to AA. I think that Coughlin comes down a weight and AA's.
Johnstone did a good job last year for Ohio State in being competitive against virtually all opposition at 157#. If he is going to make that next step and contend for AA, he's going to have to continue to improve.
My gut instinct is that Nemec is more equipped to be an AA contender, though Johnstone might be better than Nemec in the head-to-head competition. All this will be determined in the room next fall and during the season. Ohio State benefits from having many quality wrestlers in each lineup cluster.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Scott Shaw added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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Bob, I stand corrected, but as you should know better than anyone on here, rankings are subjective. What it does say is that tOSU's "reputation" has increased and that can not be a negative no matter how you look at it. I am surprised to hear that, even subjectively, tOSU ranks higher than Case in anything that Case offers.
Money talks and walks when it comes to education though and it doesn't surprise me that the two highest endowed schools in the state are our two highest performing. That is the biggest difference in tOSU over the last 15 years folks. Not raised standards, that helps, but the money and the improvements that the money allows for is the biggest difference. Why did we bring back Gee, because he was the best academic mind out there and he will help lead us into a new era? No, because he will raise a boatload of money that will help everyone involved lead us into a new era.
As for endowments though, nobody beats Case. tOSU had $2.1 billion and 50,000+ undergrads to serve. Case has $1.87 billion and less than 5,000 undergrads to serve. WOW!!
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Jack Muni added to this discussion on June 30, 2008
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Josh: It will be interesting, for sure at 157 next season. Last year Johnstone & Nemec both wrestled NCAA 3rd placer Vallimont, Johnstone losing 4-1 and 5-3, while Nemec lost 10-1 at the Nittany Lion Open in early Dec. Their styles are so different as you pointed out, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Even if Johnstone wins the position, that still gives Nemec 3 good years to be the starter. And who wouldn't want that kind of backup situation, similar to Enright-Jaggers last year, when T.J. stepped in (and won) for J & even Lance when they needed a breather. I think a lot will depend on how much improvement Nemec makes from freshman to soph. Being a senior, Johnstone doesn't need to improve as much as Nemec IMO, but I've seen some incredible changes in some guys from that first to second year in college.
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Discussion Topic: Jason Johnstone transferring to Kent State?
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on July 4, 2008
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Scott,
the Rennaisance
(pardon my spelling, i'm a 1969 grad of Ohio St-- but i took no remedial courses, ha, ha),
at Ohio st started at least 2 Presidents prior to Gee.
There has been a plan in place for quite a while.
i get the Alumni mag and i noticed avg ACT scores of incoming freshmen steadily going up and up year after year--- i also noticed, every year the Plain Dealer publishes an article and list of area students who are
National Merit Finalists, and their college choices. Ten years ago almost no one one of them chose Ohio st, in recent years MANY have chosen Ohio st University.
maybe Case Western should be called to account for their performance given their high endowment, underachieving perhaps ? ---Dollar for dollar an Ohio St education is a bargain apparently, room & board & tution for underclassmen at main campus is under $20,000 last i heard, probably has since been raised but still a relative bargain.
President Gee a very smart man, btw, i forget where he did his undergrad but i recall he entered college when he was 15 or 16 years old, also was Law Clerk for a US Supeme Court Justice. After leaving Ohio st the first time he was President at Brown and then Vanderbilt, 2 prestigious schools.
bottom line: its a great time to be a Buckeye.
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