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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on February 11, 2020
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Quote from Mark Niemann's post:
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"BONUS: The loser of this bet can purchase the gift card at Kroger, earn the fuel points, and get money off for gas! It's the craziest win-win loss you'll ever experience."
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BONUS Bonus: Use a Cash Back or Points credit card (provided you pay your bill off each month) for the trifecta.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on February 11, 2020
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Quote from Justin Hayes's post:
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"BONUS Bonus: Use a Cash Back or Points credit card (provided you pay your bill off each month) for the trifecta."
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Stop the press!!!!!!!!
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Jack Muni added to this discussion on February 11, 2020
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I see the Bucs lineup this week has Heinselman or Koontz, and Cleary or Kinner. Likewise PSU shows either Verkleeren or Gardner at 149 and Berge or Pipher at 157.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Dan Strope added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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Over/Under of a ranked starter sitting or taking a "temporary strategic withdraw"? 1.5?
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Jared Ball added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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Quote from Mark Niemann's post:
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Quote from Justin Hayes's post:
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"BONUS Bonus: Use a Cash Back or Points credit card (provided you pay your bill off each month) for the trifecta."
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Stop the press!!!!!!!!"
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Now we’re talking. Between the buy back $$ and the $$ I just saved from switching my car insurance to Geico I can roll these funds back into repurchasing my 2021 Buckeye season tickets!! It’s all coming together!! Consider the bet on. Rasheed or bust.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
John Flanigan added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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Quote from Gary Lusson's post:
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"I respect all the reasonable and informed opinions contrary to my suggestion, but I'm going to stick with it.
Most of the opposition to the idea--and most Buckeye supporters would probably agree if they were on this forum--centers around the rather highfalutin notion that "we don't do this sort of thing." It's for those Iowa & Penn State lowlifes, not the noble Bucks. As Dan Bork said, "we have to be all in and embrace the challenge."
A large part of me shares this sentiment: I don't like ducking, we ARE fighters.
But in this particular case, is it really a logical thing to do? I think Luke is a better wrestler and will ultimately win it all, but it's darn close, Lee is fantastic, we all recognize that. It's going to be tough enough, why give your opponent that small but crucial home-mat edge? Let them settle it at the neutral grounds of Rutgers and Minneapolis.
Besides the pride-thing, the only practical argument is Jack Muni's, that sometimes losing to someone allows the loser to come up with a new and better game plan--it's a learning experience. Yes, this is true. He uses as an example Stieber's first match against Retherford. But at that point Zain was a freshman, good but not great, certainly not "The Train" he was to become, still something of an unknown quantity. No reason in the world for Logan not to wrestle that match. But we know who Lee is, we know how difficult this is going to be.
I realize that the idea is not popular, it sticks in my craw also, but I think TR and Luke should perform a "temporary strategic withdrawal" :-) and pass on this opportunity."
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For that matter, why would it not be prudent for Cael to sit Lee, thereby not giving Pletcher a chance to see him before Bigs? Seeding in Bigs will be less important than at nationals, so plays his hand for a winner gets better seed when it matters.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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Quote from Dan Strope's post:
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"Over/Under of a ranked starter sitting or taking a "temporary strategic withdraw"? 1.5?"
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I'll take the under!
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Gary Lusson added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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"For that matter, why would it not be prudent for Cael to sit Lee, thereby not giving Pletcher a chance to see him before Bigs? Seeding in Bigs will be less important than at nationals, so plays his hand for a winner gets better seed when it matters."
Good point, I've though of this, and Cael is historically more prone to duc...er...temporary strategic withdrawals than is TR.
But my original idea is predicated on the much-debated, ephemeral, maybe-real-maybe-not home mat advantage. If indeed it exists, Lee has it, Pletcher does not. A neutral site is better for Pletcher.
Anyway, apologize for harping on this, was just an idea that floated through my empty old head. Luke will most likely wrestle, I know he CAN win and I hope he does, with some luck we might even...dare I say it?...squeak out a dual meet victory. :-)
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Jason L. Jackson added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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Quote from Mark Niemann's post:
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Quote from Justin Hayes's post:
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"BONUS Bonus: Use a Cash Back or Points credit card (provided you pay your bill off each month) for the trifecta."
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Stop the press!!!!!!!!"
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Vicki Vale, Vick, Vicki Vale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5l4MW-yg_c
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Jason L. Jackson added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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My thoughts:
125 - I actually favor Meredith here. I worry Koontz will suffer if he has to make that cut again. He looked like a relative of Skelator on Sunday, especially from matside. Still not sure what to think of Malik. I hope he can get going, because he can get to just about anyone's legs, just has a block on finishing.
3-0 PSU
133 - RBY majored Lovett, but it was a 1 point match until he hit a cradle off of a late Lovett shot. I think Decatur can keep it relatively close and can hold this to a decision.
6-0 PSU
141 - Man, I cannot wait to see this match! The only other match that compares to this, to me, is Hall-Kemerer. Gable-Paris would have, but didn't happen. I give Lee the edge in Rec Hall.
9-0 PSU
149 - Verkleren took Brayton Lee to OT recently, but Lee hasn't been wrestling well since his loss to Sammy. I think Sammy counters a shot or two from Verk and gets a controlled decision.
9-3 PSU
157 - Cleary v. Gardner/Piper is a toss up. I actually think Cleary can win this.
9-6 OSU
165 - If Smith can stay out of the upper body stuff, he can hold this to a decision, but if Joseph jacks him up, it'll be a fall. I'll split the difference.
13-6 PSU
174 - Hall is a great wrestler who has offense but prefers to counter his opponents shots. If he opens up and shoots, I think he gets the major. If he let's Romero control the pace with his hand-fighting, then I think it is a decision.
16-6 PSU
184 - Brooks is significantly better on his feet right now than Rocky, but Rocky just has some serious man strength. If he can fight off and counter a Brooks shot, I think he can control the pace on top, but I don't see it happening. Closer to a major than an upset.
19-6 PSU
197 - 50-50 we see Shak here. I think Moore pushes the pace and wears Shak out and gets the major late.
19-10 PSU
285 - Nevills is a big dude, and I think this looks similar to the Cassioppi match. Decision only.
22-10 PSU
Obviously Ohio State only needs to reverse two of the toss ups (125, 141) to tie this up. Of course, they could lose at 157 and it could get worse.
Some good individual matchups, but the dual will probably be ugly.
#GoBucks
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Dan Strope added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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I would not put a whole lot of stock in the home mat advantage at 141 because Pletcher is PA native and probably won't receive the normally visiting team "welcome". They won't be cheering for him but they will always remember their home state talent.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Don Bork added to this discussion on February 12, 2020
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Not sure I agree with that. The PSU faithful will be all about support for Lee. If anything they may be more vicious to Luke prematch just because they fee a real threat. Should Lee win a good competitive match, they may then show a more sportsman like appreciation.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on February 13, 2020
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Brian Mathews added to this discussion on February 13, 2020
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Quote from Don Bork's post:
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"Not sure I agree with that. The PSU faithful will be all about support for Lee. If anything they may be more vicious to Luke prematch just because they fee a real threat. Should Lee win a good competitive match, they may then show a more sportsman like appreciation."
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Pletcher is on record saying he's looking forward to wrestling Lee at the dual. He also said he feels the more he sees a guy, the better his chances are. He believes he has the advantage when it comes to making adjustments.
I don't see any reason to not believe him. Last year he lost to both RBY and Phillippi in close bouts during the regular season. He then beat RBY at Big 10's to make the finals and Phillippi at NCAA's to make the semis and secure AA.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on February 15, 2020
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Quote from Jared Ball's post:
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"...One guarantee I’ll make for this dual is that Shakur Rasheed will not wrestle. Not sure what I’d wager, but I bet he doesn’t compete Saturday night. ..."
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:-)
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