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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on March 23, 2020
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Jared - outstanding post, know a lot of work went into this.
My first reaction when reviewing was how many top 100 recruits didn't hit. This is not an OSU statement, just a general statement around the complexity of recruiting and identifying talent.
Coach Ryan does almost every thing right. The program is just incredibly healthy.
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Jared Ball added to this discussion on March 23, 2020
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At this point I’m not real sure who is on the Bucks radar. Richie Figueroa verbally committed to ASU almost two years ago and the Bucks continued to pursue him. Forum conjecture sounds like the Bucks efforts to land him have cooled. Victor Voinivich and Jesse Vasquez were on the same exact recruiting trip that Enchemendia and Gallagher were on. The later two are on the way. I would doubt the former two would venture on down this way but who knows. I’m not sure how impactful the Hoeppner signing is. He’s one of the more accomplished Ohio guys in this class, but he hasn’t accomplished the national accolades that many of his other competitors have. He’s ranked a little further down the national rankings then most potential three time Ohio State champs would be and he hasn’t faired well at Iron Man, Fargo, etc. Shumate is still three years away but should end up near the top of his class as the overall number 1. If you get three years out of some combo of Singletary and Hoffman he’s your 197lb replacement. Maybe even 184.
125, Heavy, and 157 continue to be needs. You could potentially add 133 to the list since it looks like Decatur may not be the answer weight wise. Stevo Poulin is still unsigned as a 113lb junior. Im not sure the Bucks are even in on him yet. Shane Van Ness out of Blair is a substantial talent at 132, but I’m sure everyone and their mother is in on him. The sophomore class out of PA looks ridiculous, especially at the middle weights. Lots of sophomores ranked really high nationally at 138 and 145. With Trey Kobe’s decommitment from PSU I wonder if the Bucks are looking at him as a potential 174. There really doesn’t seem to be some other worldly talent at 220 or Heavy. Cadet and Junior nationals would have really started to separate guys in addition to Fargo. I’m not sure the first two are going to happen more than likely. This is why you have a guy like Anthony Ralph On your staff. Make that money AR
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Bill Splete added to this discussion on March 23, 2020
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This is crazy and if I wrong apologize, but I have been looking for the last few hours(have a little time on my hands) for the article that I was referencing for Pliev and him being removed from record books, and I would swear we had this discussion on the forum at some point, but I have not found it and thought he was removed from record books. I relied on memory and alas it may have failed me, should have done more research on that one, sorry about that will update if I find the info on his age. I take responsibility for my stupidity.
But I do stand by the fact that Bender was told about enchmedia age at Fargo, but it was very late and not able to address until after the tournament, which he did. There were big names at the national level calling him about this. The source is solid and his actual age is the question.
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Jim Fox added to this discussion on March 23, 2020
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I watched Hetag wrestle when he was a freshman at Princeton High school. He looked liked a senior then. By the time he was a senior he looked like a full grown man. I was sure he was at least 20 or older. There was a lot of talk in southwest Ohio about his age. The coaching staff at Lakota East always defended his age.
I was always skeptical. A few years later when he wrestled in the Olympics for Canada, I researched his information. His age at that point would have put him as a 18 year old his senior year.
Never would have guessed it.
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 24, 2020
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Interesting topic regarding age and advantage. It's an advantage when someone gets ahead of the curve via strength, technical skill, mental or emotional maturity. I believe that we could go through and agree upon which variable above did not meet an adequate measurement to perform well at the next level for recruits that came up short.
Malcolm Gladwell posits a hypothesis in one of his books that equates older age in context of an age group into a cyclic advantage which carries over to hockey players in Canada making it to the NHL. The advantage of physical strength and reinforced coaching act as a standardized means of natural selection.
This is rational and logical.
Khetag was physically mature (I don't know his age) and his technique was comparable to taking a gun to a knife fight. Wrestlers at that developmental level were clueless as how to defend. Just a mismatch. Alex Camargo was excellent, but there was no preparation for the positions he was forced to wrestle from when against Pliev.
Shumate is interesting as he is physically strong thanks to his build and father of whom I am told is a power lifter, who in turn trained his son to be strong. Winning as freshman requires physical strength but a skill set that is different than most as to increase the chance of scoring. His ability and threat of upper body attacks is a check in that box.
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 24, 2020
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Also, shout out to Bill Splete.
Placing 3rd in AAA state at middleweight as a freshman in that time era was infrequently attained and an absolutely great accomplishment.
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 24, 2020
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Quote from Rex Holman's post:
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"Also, shout out to Bill Splete.
Placing 3rd in AAA state at middleweight as a freshman in that time era was infrequently attained and an absolutely great accomplishment."
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Bill was 19 years old his frosh year in high school ;)
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on March 24, 2020
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Quote from Rex Holman's post:
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"Also, shout out to Bill Splete.
Placing 3rd in AAA state at middleweight as a freshman in that time era was infrequently attained and an absolutely great accomplishment."
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yes it was, thats when DI was an "Ironman" in a sense, one year 10 of 13 champs came from Mentor Meatgrinder. St Joes under great coach John Storey was formidable.
enjoy one of Ohio's all time iconic matches Bill Splete vs Kevin Randelman 1989 state finals, two HAMMERS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6G9-69iVX0
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Discussion Topic: Buckeye recruiting over the years
Jared Ball added to this discussion on March 26, 2020
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Quote from Rex Holman's post:
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"Interesting topic regarding age and advantage. It's an advantage when someone gets ahead of the curve via strength, technical skill, mental or emotional maturity. I believe that we could go through and agree upon which variable above did not meet an adequate measurement to perform well at the next level for recruits that came up short.
Malcolm Gladwell posits a hypothesis in one of his books that equates older age in context of an age group into a cyclic advantage which carries over to hockey players in Canada making it to the NHL. The advantage of physical strength and reinforced coaching act as a standardized means of natural selection.
This is rational and logical.
Khetag was physically mature (I don't know his age) and his technique was comparable to taking a gun to a knife fight. Wrestlers at that developmental level were clueless as how to defend. Just a mismatch. Alex Camargo was excellent, but there was no preparation for the positions he was forced to wrestle from when against Pliev.
Shumate is interesting as he is physically strong thanks to his build and father of whom I am told is a power lifter, who in turn trained his son to be strong. Winning as freshman requires physical strength but a skill set that is different than most as to increase the chance of scoring. His ability and threat of upper body attacks is a check in that box."
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Love Gladwell’s stuff. The physical maturity part definitely is the impetus for a lot of parents in wrestling holding back, or “redshirting”, their kids prior to high school. There seems to be a lot of freshman 16 year old champs in the last ten to fifteen years. I seem to remember someone commenting on Bo Jordan being a twenty year old freshman by the time he took the mat for the Bucks. It matters. I’m sure we all have stories we could tell. Strength is such a major component of success in wrestling.
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