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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on June 12, 2020
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Quote from Rob Wagner's post:
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"That's a good point Jim. Would like to know who the main targets for c/o 2021 are now since this "dead" period goes thru July 31. "
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ohio st has commit from Gallagher for 2021 already- the 3 other main targets are all ranked #1: Figueroa 113-- Andre Gonzales 106 -- Shane Van Ness 132. Class of 2022 ohio st has many targets, of course Seth Shumate already commited.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on June 14, 2020
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Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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"I agree that Jordan Decatur would be better off at 141. I saw him at a few opens this past year and it always seemed like he was running from scale to scale trying to make weight at the last minute. I'd hate to see him do that for three more years. We all know cutting weight hurts one's longevity in the sport, and I'd like to see him in it for the long run, as he is a talented freestyler. That being said, if his goal is the big stage it's going to have to be at 65 kg, since I doubt he could make 57 kg and compete effectively under today's weigh-in rules. 141 would be much better suited for 65 kg.
Even though he'd be short for 141, I don't see it as much of an issue. Guys like Pletcher or Molinaro are/were short for their weight but have been successful."
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I've seen this take by numerous people on here and national boards and it may be an unpopular take but I disagree. I know Decatur had some issues with weight management last year but he was also a true freshman living on his own for the first time. Quite frankly, if he cannot hold 133 he probably isn't a starter at tOSU. When he missed weight at the Cleveland State Open and wrestled up he was handled by Evan Cheek (I don't think it was a major but a solid beating). Cheek is a good top 20 type of guy but not "elite" and probably a guy you expect a Buckeye Starter to beat. Regarding the Pletcher/Molinaro comparisons, both of those guys were good mat wrestlers (Molinaro was when not wrestling Dake) while Decatur had issues adjusting to this part of college wrestling. These concerns will likely be amplified if he is giving up size/length at 141. I like Decatur and think he can improve and be a future contributor for the Buckeyes, but I believe that's contingent on him holding 133.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on June 14, 2020
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Scott: Good points. Regardless I think Decatur has to go 133. Bucks need a lineup with Echemendia and Sasso and that means 141 is probably occupied.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on June 15, 2020
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Quote from Scott Nicola's post:
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Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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"I agree that Jordan Decatur would be better off at 141. I saw him at a few opens this past year and it always seemed like he was running from scale to scale trying to make weight at the last minute. I'd hate to see him do that for three more years. We all know cutting weight hurts one's longevity in the sport, and I'd like to see him in it for the long run, as he is a talented freestyler. That being said, if his goal is the big stage it's going to have to be at 65 kg, since I doubt he could make 57 kg and compete effectively under today's weigh-in rules. 141 would be much better suited for 65 kg.
Even though he'd be short for 141, I don't see it as much of an issue. Guys like Pletcher or Molinaro are/were short for their weight but have been successful."
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I've seen this take by numerous people on here and national boards and it may be an unpopular take but I disagree. I know Decatur had some issues with weight management last year but he was also a true freshman living on his own for the first time. Quite frankly, if he cannot hold 133 he probably isn't a starter at tOSU. When he missed weight at the Cleveland State Open and wrestled up he was handled by Evan Cheek (I don't think it was a major but a solid beating). Cheek is a good top 20 type of guy but not "elite" and probably a guy you expect a Buckeye Starter to beat. Regarding the Pletcher/Molinaro comparisons, both of those guys were good mat wrestlers (Molinaro was when not wrestling Dake) while Decatur had issues adjusting to this part of college wrestling. These concerns will likely be amplified if he is giving up size/length at 141. I like Decatur and think he can improve and be a future contributor for the Buckeyes, but I believe that's contingent on him holding 133."
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If his struggles with weight were due to inexperience or going about it the wrong way, then I agree that he should be able to handle 133 when managing it the right way. If he was doing everything the right way in regards to nutrition, training, and lifestyle and still had trouble with 133, then that's a different story.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on June 15, 2020
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Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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Quote from Scott Nicola's post:
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Quote from Jeff Streu's post:
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"I agree that Jordan Decatur would be better off at 141. I saw him at a few opens this past year and it always seemed like he was running from scale to scale trying to make weight at the last minute. I'd hate to see him do that for three more years. We all know cutting weight hurts one's longevity in the sport, and I'd like to see him in it for the long run, as he is a talented freestyler. That being said, if his goal is the big stage it's going to have to be at 65 kg, since I doubt he could make 57 kg and compete effectively under today's weigh-in rules. 141 would be much better suited for 65 kg.
Even though he'd be short for 141, I don't see it as much of an issue. Guys like Pletcher or Molinaro are/were short for their weight but have been successful."
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I've seen this take by numerous people on here and national boards and it may be an unpopular take but I disagree. I know Decatur had some issues with weight management last year but he was also a true freshman living on his own for the first time. Quite frankly, if he cannot hold 133 he probably isn't a starter at tOSU. When he missed weight at the Cleveland State Open and wrestled up he was handled by Evan Cheek (I don't think it was a major but a solid beating). Cheek is a good top 20 type of guy but not "elite" and probably a guy you expect a Buckeye Starter to beat. Regarding the Pletcher/Molinaro comparisons, both of those guys were good mat wrestlers (Molinaro was when not wrestling Dake) while Decatur had issues adjusting to this part of college wrestling. These concerns will likely be amplified if he is giving up size/length at 141. I like Decatur and think he can improve and be a future contributor for the Buckeyes, but I believe that's contingent on him holding 133."
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If his struggles with weight were due to inexperience or going about it the wrong way, then I agree that he should be able to handle 133 when managing it the right way. If he was doing everything the right way in regards to nutrition, training, and lifestyle and still had trouble with 133, then that's a different story."
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I have no insider knowledge to say one way or another I was basing it off the fact that he was recruited as a 133, was talked about as an option at 125 as late as December of this year, and doesn't have a very large frame. If he is truly too big to safely/effectively make 133 his future may be at 141 but it will likely be somewhere other than Ohio State. The Bucks have alot of talent/depth above him him Echemendia, Kinner, Sasso, and D'Emilio. I want to reiterate, I think Decatur can be successful for the Bucks if he makes 133. I think he really needed a red shirt and despite having what most people consider a disappointing season had some flashes of excellence. He showed he could take down anyone in the country and actually had the Nebraska kid beat but got screwed on that late reversal call. J.D. needs to get better on bottom and more consistent in his results against elite competition. This is true for nearly all true freshman, even really elite ones. I hope we see him come back and become a multiple time AA.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Roe Fox added to this discussion on June 18, 2020
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There is no question you recruit where the talent is but with Figueroa at 113 and Gonzales at 106, they seem like a big risk to produce another talented but undersized 125.
Granted each has another year or two to grow.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Roe Fox added to this discussion on June 18, 2020
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There is no question you recruit where the talent is but with Figueroa at 113 and Gonzales at 106, they seem like a big risk to produce another talented but undersized 125.
Granted each has another year or two to grow.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Jared Ball added to this discussion on June 18, 2020
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125 is the absolute toughest weight class to recruit and and maintain regardless of school (unless your Iowa). I can’t think of any school that has established and sustained success like the Hawks at 125. To further that point look no further then who the Bucks have brought in over the last 15 years. Tomasello is the most accomplished lightweight in OSU history, and he was the second highest rated guy to come to OSU. Triggas was the most highly touted coming out of high school And managed only one AA finish. Both were thought to be career 125s, but even NATO defected to a higher weight for a year. Jose Rodriguez was rated roughly about the same as Malik, but couldn’t maintain the weight. I think the point is largely that staffs garner a greater return on their investment by recruiting depth to account for guys moving up. That’s why you bring in guys like Jacob Decatur who may end up being a one year starter down the road. Really if you think about it, lighter weight kids are probably guys who are still likely growing and maturing into their 20s, unlike many of the upper weights.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Drew Taylor added to this discussion on June 19, 2020
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Jared, not sure what rankings you're looking at but Triggas wasn't the HS competitor that NATO was. If I recall, Triggas took some bad losses his senior season. Tomasello smoked everyone.
But your overall point is well taken. 125 is a tough weight because you end up having to fill it every couple of years due to guys moving up. No wonder Cael was so mad when Suriano decided to transfer.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on July 2, 2020
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Jack Muni added to this discussion on July 2, 2020
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Given Singletary's past injury record, and Orndorf & Traub at 285, I would rather see Hoffman zero in at 197.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on July 3, 2020
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Quote from Jack Muni's post:
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"Given Singletary's past injury record, and Orndorf & Traub at 285, I would rather see Hoffman zero in at 197."
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Agree. Think how much better Romero was when he got healthy and at the proper weight class.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on July 3, 2020
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Good article. Great depth in the upper weights with tOSU at least 2 deep with elite guys from at 285, 197, and possible 184 (if Karchla cant make 165 and the loser of him and Romero compete with Rocky at 184). When it's said and done I think it ends up:
165-Smith
174-Karchla
184-Romero
197-Singletary
285-Orndorff
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Don Bork added to this discussion on July 3, 2020
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Scott, I agree with your assessment of the top half of the lineup. However, at the beginning of last season Ryan opted for Jordan at 174 over Romero. I understand that Rocky did win their wrestle off, but it was obvious after a few matches that Kaleb was wrestling at a higher level. I Don’t think it’s a secret that Coach REALLY wants Jordan in the lineup. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. Fact is they are all on the eligibility clock, so I would expect to see them all over the course of the season. Of course there will be the odd man out come tournament time.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio state 125/133
Jason L. Jackson added to this discussion on July 3, 2020
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On another message board a person who was in on a donor conference call said that Coach Ryan told them Kharchla was wrestling off Smith at 165 with the loser wrestling off Romero at 174. If that's true, I see this year's lineup as follows:
125 - Malik
133 - Decatur or transfer
141 - Echemendia
149 - Sasso
157 - Wilcox or Kinner
165 - Kharchla
174 - Romero
184 - Rocky (Does Smith dare to go all the way back up to the weight he started at?)
197 - Singletary
285 - Orndorff
I see 10 qualifiers and 5-6 potential AAs.
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