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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Mark Myers added to this discussion on May 17, 2025
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Nobody seems to be complaining about how much NIL (soon to be direct payment) money the football team has. Make a decision where you want to put your money. Iowa and Ok St have crap football. In fact a degree from Ok St doesn't
move the needle. Iowa and PSU aren't nearly as good as Ohio State in terms of academic rankings. Players in all sports seem to forget about what they will do after college. I follow a MAC team that often gets kids for football that have Ivy league offers. How crazy are they?
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Joe Kinzel added to this discussion on May 18, 2025
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Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post:
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"Agreed. But so is NIL money.
I want to be clear, I have no issue with the government limiting how much a person can earn. But I lean way more socialist than I assume most on this forum do."
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Allow the government to limit how much someone can earn??? No thank you!
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on May 18, 2025
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Quote from Joe Kinzel's post:
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Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post:
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"Agreed. But so is NIL money.
I want to be clear, I have no issue with the government limiting how much a person can earn. But I lean way more socialist than I assume most on this forum do."
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Allow the government to limit how much someone can earn??? No thank you!"
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100% in agreement.
The government can not seem to do what they were elected to do and run the government. Putting them in charge of something else is a BAD idea.
There are so many issues that our Congress should be dealing with. NIL, college athletics and wrestling in particular should not, IMO, be on the list.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on May 18, 2025
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That’s my point. I just don’t see this community saying that we want regulated. So, if you don’t want regulation and NIL has been deemed legal, this is what you’re gonna get…a capitalist framework governing non-revenue college athletics.
Even if the NCAA allows universities to pay their athletes, that will not make NIL cease to be a thing. Direct money from the schools will be meant to give a base to the rank and file. The stars will still get NIL. So the system is what it is for the foreseeable future. Ohio State might not have it as good as Iowa, Penn State and Oklahoma State, but they have it way better than most. tOSU isn’t relevant in the title race, but they’re still a perennial top five team. That’s better than almost everyone else.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on May 18, 2025
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Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post:
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"That’s my point. I just don’t see this community saying that we want regulated. So, if you don’t want regulation and NIL has been deemed legal, this is what you’re gonna get…a capitalist framework governing non-revenue college athletics.
Even if the NCAA allows universities to pay their athletes, that will not make NIL cease to be a thing. Direct money from the schools will be meant to give a base to the rank and file. The stars will still get NIL. So the system is what it is for the foreseeable future. Ohio State might not have it as good as Iowa, Penn State and Oklahoma State, but they have it way better than most. tOSU isn’t relevant in the title race, but they’re still a perennial top five team. That’s better than almost everyone else."
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Spot on.
But fans can still want more.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on May 19, 2025
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Quote from Jim Behrens's post:
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" 100% in agreement.
The government can not seem to do what they were elected to do and run the government. Putting them in charge of something else is a BAD idea.
There are so many issues that our Congress should be dealing with. NIL, college athletics and wrestling in particular should not, IMO, be on the list."
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If voting really mattered they wouldn't let us do it.
:-)
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on May 19, 2025
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Quote from Mark Niemann's post:
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Quote from Jim Behrens's post:
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" 100% in agreement.
The government can not seem to do what they were elected to do and run the government. Putting them in charge of something else is a BAD idea.
There are so many issues that our Congress should be dealing with. NIL, college athletics and wrestling in particular should not, IMO, be on the list."
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If voting really mattered they wouldn't let us do it.
:-)"
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LOL What a brilliant saying, is it original??
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Nick Lecklider added to this discussion on May 20, 2025
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Dekraker just committed to Minnesota. No longer Ohio state. Don’t think it’s a big miss however.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Rob Wagner added to this discussion on May 20, 2025
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Never good when you see that. That puts Ohio St back to 1 2026 recruit in Waters and 1 recruit in 2027 Munaretto I think.
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Quote from Nick Lecklider's post:
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"Dekraker just committed to Minnesota. No longer Ohio state. Don’t think it’s a big miss however."
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Drew Taylor added to this discussion on May 20, 2025
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Munaretto and Waters are both 2026.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on May 21, 2025
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Quote from Nick Lecklider's post:
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"Dekraker just committed to Minnesota. No longer Ohio state. Don’t think it’s a big miss however."
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Ohio State used to land their share of top tier recruits and rarely lost out to any programs besides Penn State and Iowa. Now, they're struggling to land top tier guys, and recruits are decommitting. Not sure about the actual ability level of this young man but it certainly feels like another indication that the Bucks are scuffling.
They're still a good program but that sense that they're one of the elite is dissipating.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Nick Lecklider added to this discussion on May 21, 2025
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While we are not getting the top tier recruits missing out on Dekraker is not a big deal. The staff may have even backed off of him. I wouldn’t call it losing out on him.
Dekraker wrestled three nationally ranked opponents this year in high school
Lost 17-1 Jax Forrest
Lost 4-0 seidel
Lost 4-0 saldate
Then also lost 10-3 to manns from st Ed’s.
There is nothing to show me he’s a high level prospect to be a difference maker at the next level.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Rob Wagner added to this discussion on May 22, 2025
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Nick, I normally agree with your posts, but this one I need to rebuttle on:
Ohio St only has 2 recruits coming in next season, the year before we brought in what 3 or 4? One is gone.
Our depth is not deep and Dekraker is a nationally ranked kid, the talent is there. Although you have strong stats with those loses, they aren't anything to be ashamed about. 2nd at Beast and 4th at Powerade is strong. Who knows, maybe a redshirt year wrestling with Davino and Mendez would pay dividends. I also think losing out on a kid before he even steps on campus isn't a good sign. This isn't Penn St or Okie St where certain weights high-caliber wrestlers have no shot of starting due to depth. Dekraker had a chance to fill 141 or 149 in the future.
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Quote from Nick Lecklider's post:
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"While we are not getting the top tier recruits missing out on Dekraker is not a big deal. The staff may have even backed off of him. I wouldn’t call it losing out on him.
Dekraker wrestled three nationally ranked opponents this year in high school
Lost 17-1 Jax Forrest
Lost 4-0 seidel
Lost 4-0 saldate
Then also lost 10-3 to manns from st Ed’s.
There is nothing to show me he’s a high level prospect to be a difference maker at the next level."
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Nick Lecklider added to this discussion on May 23, 2025
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I mean he is nationally ranked but not sure how he got to that point? He is quite over ranked in my perspective. Manns from eds was a state runner up and didn’t place at Ironman and beat him 10-3. He wasn’t a guy close to being nationally ranked. He had no wins over nationally ranked opponents either this season. Flo has rankings wrong a lot and had him top 10 p4p also when he clearly is no where near that. He scored one point against three ranked opponent when Jax Forrest gave him an escape. Ohio state doesn’t need another kid who gets stuck on bottom either which is evident by these three matches.
While I agree Ohio state needs to sign more guys Dekraker would have likely only been a depth guy for the foreseeable future imo. Tom Ryan went very hard after the raney brothers which would be essentially over recruiting him. Tom may have also pulled nil money/scholarship as Dekraker didn’t have the best year.
Ohio state has lots of eligibility remaining in middle weights
141: Davino moves up eventually has 4 years of eligibility
149: styles 3 years of eligibility
149/157: Maddox Shaw 4 years of eligibility and a redshirt.
157 chittum two years and a redshirt.
Dekraker is not in the ballpark of any of these guys and by the time he’s in college will be in these weight classes most likely. If tom needs an immediate fix he is now willing to go to portal and use a scholarship there rather than a guy who must develop and has little shot of making lineup especially initially.
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Discussion Topic: State of the Program: Ohio State
Jared Ball added to this discussion on June 6, 2025
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Looks like Coleman Scott has went back to Oklahoma, assuming he is no longer associated with the Ohio State program. He looks to have opened up a state of the art wrestling facility called the farm. Looks to be in the model of the Jordans, AWA, and M2 training facilities.
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