|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Bob Preusse added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
|
Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
|
|
"In fact, Ohio State has missed on the three best recruits they've recently tried to land--Taylor, Meade, and Oliver."
|
Yes, and they've been 2nd in the running for all 3, too, no disgrace.
I see
JAMIE CLARK
as a real important recruit, a 4 year 125.
Great speed and pressure on his feet, very good handfighter-- the only guy besides Stieber to press David Taylor, Clark even beat Taylor once AND came as close as u can to beating him in their dual at st Eds last season: 2-1 Taylor wins on a stalling point and a locking the hands point against Clark. --- Clark only a sophomore this past season.
the way the chips have fallen, my guess is Ohio st U wants Collin Palmer and another big guy to sign next November, probably a 197. Those are their priorities.
Taylor will have a great career baring injury at Iowa St, but since he projects to a middle wt his loss perhaps can be overcome.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
Actually, what the Bucks need is to continue to build depth in the 165 to 174 range. If either Sponseller or Rella gets hurt, who steps in?
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
Good conversation.
Unfortunately, some OSU fans seem to take people wanting to go elsewhere personally. I really believe that when you throw Cael into the equation, it would be tough to say no.
He is such a presence, and has now proven that he can coach as well as wrestle. I wasn't completely certain that his personal success would translate to success as a coach, but after a couple years it is clear that he will turn ISU into a powerhouse.
I personally think Collin is a slam dunk. For those of you who have big brothers, I'm sure you know how tough it would be for him to go anywhere else.
As a wrestling fan born and raised in Ohio, I root for Ohioans. I was standing in front of the TV screaming when Dustin lost to Metcalf, I was pumped for David Bertolino this spring, etc. I will follow and root for Taylor in much the same manner. I think this was a great decision for him, and I also think that he is a 'can't miss' recruit. If you don't think he's the best in the state, the only other possible option is Stieber, who he owns a head-to-head win against. Really no argument there.
Also, it's tough to compare Taylor with Jameson. Jameson struggled against the caliber of kids that Taylor would tech in the first period. In fact, Taylor's scrambling ability coupled with his flawless execution would give Jameson fits TODAY (even 20 lbs light) in my opinion...
Again, great dicussion. Both Taylor and OSU are set up for great futures.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
I have said for some time that I think Palmer, Stieber, and Clark are Tom Ryan (Iowa style) type guys while Taylor seems to fit the mold for Iowa State or even Oklahoma State. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved for the Bucks to have grabbed Taylor. Look at the guys Coach Ryan has brought in (Pucillo, Sponseller, Triggas, Nemec, Palmer). They are all physical guys who come right at you and beat you up and are also punishing on top (particularly Palmer and Triggas). Taylor is definitely more of a finesse wrestler while Palmer, Stieber, and Clark are more banger/goer types.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
By the way, I think Jameson will have a great college career and I can't understand why so many people have soured on him. Jameson has proven that he is winner and a big match wrestler, period. Now put him in a room with the best coaching in the country and a bevy of great workout partners to bang with daily. I think Jameson redshirts and possibly sits or spot-starts his redshirt freshman year. After this (with two full years in the OSU room), Jameson will be a force and, IMO, a multiple-time AA.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
Scott:
I don't think anyone has soured on Jameson, I just don't see the comparisons to Taylor. Jameson will be very successful.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Roe Fox added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
Scott:
I agree with everything you wrote. Combined with the fact that apparently Taylor is going up in weight substantially and the fact we have Stieber (at least for now; he is young and can change his mind), I'm not so sure we lost out if Taylor's money is used wisely on others (like maybe Clark).
Don't get me wrong, I would like to see him at tOSU. Everybody thought David Craig (and others throughout the past) were unbeatable. College is a different story.
A lot can change in the next few years.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Dan Cosimi added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
|
Quote from Ethan Moore's post:
|
|
"Good conversation.
Unfortunately, some OSU fans seem to take people wanting to go elsewhere personally."
|
You're the second person to say that and I still have yet to see where the negativity is because I haven't read any (on this website).
|
Quote from Ethan Moore's post:
|
|
"I personally think Collin is a slam dunk. For those of you who have big brothers, I'm sure you know how tough it would be for him to go anywhere else."
|
Normally I would agree but in this instance I disagree. Different strokes for different folks...
|
Quote from Ethan Moore's post:
|
|
"As a wrestling fan born and raised in Ohio, I root for Ohioans. I was standing in front of the TV screaming when Dustin lost to Metcalf, I was pumped for David Bertolino this spring, etc. I will follow and root for Taylor in much the same manner."
|
Ditto. I rooted for Steve Luke in the NCAA finals this year despite the fact that he was wearing the wrong colors. haha. Luke was one of my favorites to follow in high school too.
|
Quote from Ethan Moore's post:
|
|
"If you don't think he's the best in the state, the only other possible option is Stieber, who he owns a head-to-head win against. Really no argument there."
|
I must disagree with you here. Collin Palmer is most definitely a possible option. His folkstyle credentials match up identically to Taylor's.
(FS/GR is a passion of Taylor's that Palmer does not share, but even so, in his only year doing freestyle, he had great success at a brutal weight class. It shouldn't matter, though. If freestyle was the judge, then Olympic silver medalist Jamill Kelly would be well past many NCAA Champions. He was never an All-American. If Greco-Roman was the judge, Matt Ghaffari, a Greco-Roman legend, would have been far beyond NCAA champions, but he only qualified for the NCAA tournament once - his senior year at Cleveland State.)
You say just because Stieber lost to Taylor in one match (and furthermore it was Stieber's first varsity tournament ever), there is no argument as to who is better? Or are you saying you aren't arguing because Stieber and Taylor is a toss-up?
I really hope it's the latter, because the former just doesn't make logical sense because using that logic...
- Jamie Clark was better than David Taylor (Clark was 1-0 against Taylor that year).
- Jason Johnstone was better than Dustin Schlatter (Johnstone only wrestled him once and he won).
- Larry Owings was better than Dan Gable (The biggest upset of all-time and that was the only time they wrestled each other in folkstyle).
|
Quote from Ethan Moore's post:
|
|
"Also, it's tough to compare Taylor with Jameson..."
|
Agreed. They're both excellent but Taylor's consistency and domination puts him over the top in that comparison.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on June 4, 2008
|
Dan - my thought process in the Stieber vs Taylor discussion is that when two people have equal credentials, the only way to decide an argument can be head to head. It was Stieber's first varsity tournament, but with someone as experienced and traveled as Logan (coming off a Fargo title), this is not as big of an issue.
I understand your examples, but Taylor has beaten Clark several times, so its understandable that one would not concentrate on the single loss.
Also, I think you have to look at freestyle. Fargo is the single greatest test for any HS wrestler, and success at that tournament must be taken into consideration when comparing wrestlers so closely comparable as Taylor and Palmer.
Regardless, they are all amazing talents and tops in the nation, let alone the state... I just tend to think that Taylor is a little, teeny bit, better than the other two.
About the OSU comment, I feel people's lack of discussion, pointed out by Hank, was most likely some sour grapes.
I'm a Buckeye fan, just an observation.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on June 5, 2008
|
Ethan: I like your comments whether I agree or not. With regard to why no one initially discussed Taylor, I think this thread proves it's not just the topic but the way it's presented. As soon as I posed a few questions, we got a great discussion. Lesson learned for me.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
J.P. Barner added to this discussion on June 5, 2008
|
Darn, first I have heard of Taylor's ISU commitment. Good luck to him.
At least he didn't go to That School Up North, or anywhere else in the B10 for that matter.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Dan Ransick added to this discussion on June 5, 2008
|
Taylor has had a relationship with the Sanderson family since his days out in Wyoming when he would go to Utah. Taylor has looked up to Sanderson for sometime and that would be a hard selling point to overcome for OSU.
Will Ohio State be okay? Yes, they have plenty of young talent in the wings and have many kids that will commit to Ohio State. I think right now the key is to get Palmer. With Stieber coming in that should get his brother Hunter and Phillips to come in as well.
|
|
|
|
|
Discussion Topic: David Taylor Discussion
Marlo Stanfield added to this discussion on June 6, 2008
|
"A lot of people from Ohio want to stay in Ohio because they've been there their whole life," Taylor said. "I've traveled my whole life, I've moved a couple of times and I travel a lot for wrestling, so staying at home wasn't something really important to me. I just wanted to go somewhere that I thought would make me the best wrestler in the long run."
Taylor is really not from Ohio, so it is OK. Where do you file this away as? One that got away or one out-of-stater that we almost had. Best of luck to Taylor and hopefully he wins a couple. No hard fillings, I am always excited when young men/wrestlers have the opportunity to better themselves and get a college education. Best of luck to you Mr. Taylor and the Taylor family!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
