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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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I just watched the match, came to the dot.net with questions...that Rex already answered.
This is a good forum, really grateful to have it.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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I recall in HS in Ohio years ago if you rode parallel you were dinged quickly. I think too quickly at that time, as it prohibited riding at all and Ohio became a TD state. The impact was felt when kids went on to college and didn't know how to wrestle on the mat.
That is in stark opposition to current college rules, which allow (actually incent) stalling on top.
The other tactic which I loathe is hooking one of the bottom wrestler's ankles with the top man's leg. Penn State does this at almost every weight class, makes it very difficult to move out from bottom. Mark Hall is the master of this.
That is stalling. It's preventing action. Needs to be addressed.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Gary Lusson added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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Undoubtedly due to over 60 years of connection to folkstyle wrestling, I like it better than freestyle (a leglace and 3 rolls for the win is BS to me, sorry) but there's one aspect of freestyle that should be gradually incorporated into high school and college wrestling.
No real action for 10 or 15 seconds, you're both back on your feet!
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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Quote from Gary Lusson's post:
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"Undoubtedly due to over 60 years of connection to folkstyle wrestling, I like it better than freestyle (a leglace and 3 rolls for the win is BS to me, sorry) but there's one aspect of freestyle that should be gradually incorporated into high school and college wrestling.
No real action for 10 or 15 seconds, you're both back on your feet!"
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Agree!
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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While I agree that the majority of college riding is stalling, it is the current rule set. Ohio’s colleges should all be taking a page from the PSU riding book. Hooking the ankle and prevent action. It’s extremely effective.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on February 18, 2020
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Quote from Brady Hiatt's post:
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"While I agree that the majority of college riding is stalling, it is the current rule set. Ohio’s colleges should all be taking a page from the PSU riding book. Hooking the ankle and prevent action. It’s extremely effective."
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I agree 100%.
I am not sure about at the term "rule set" though. As far as I know, the rules have not been changed but the way the NCAA officials are viewing it certainly has.
"Hook the ankle and prevent action" is almost a text book definition of stalling and it certainly is effective.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on February 18, 2020
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Quote from Jim Behrens's post:
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"I agree 100%.
I am not sure about at the term "rule set" though. As far as I know, the rules have not been changed but the way the NCAA officials are viewing it certainly has.
"Hook the ankle and prevent action" is almost a text book definition of stalling and it certainly is effective."
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Honestly, I don’t care about the verbiage, I care about it’s interpretation.
Had a wrestler running double boots and working halves on both side (yes Nieman, at separate times) with bottom guy in a mossy-log defense. My kid got called for stalling on first whistle 10 seconds after breakdown. I asked official, he gave me my answer and a warning (a good call because I was questioning his judgement and still do) but made adjustments for rest of the tournament when that one official was on our mat.
How it’s being called/interpreted is really the only important thing, imho. And once you know that, you play by those “rules” to the best of your ability.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on February 18, 2020
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Brady,
I was just questioning what it means as I never heard the term before.
Remember that I was agreeing with you.
I do understand your frustration. Every situation is different and every situation has a different explanation. What was the explanation you were given?
I think the issue in this case started with Rex talking about stalling as the NCAA officials are calling it, almost exclusively on the defensive man. What I have watched this year makes no sense to me and it didn't to him either.
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on February 18, 2020
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Yeah Jim, I got that we are both on the same page - (edit) not being argumentative here. I only brought up scenario to say that when we see how an official is making calls, the athletes and coaches need to adjust. And it honestly makes no difference what the rules are. As long as its consistent, I can live with it.
What drives coaches crazy - and you can hear Tom Ryan’s bemoaning this - is when calls are made differently by the same official during the same match as happened in tOSU vs PSU.
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Last edited by Brady Hiatt on February 19, 2020; edited 1 time in total
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Discussion Topic: OSU vs. PSU (2/15)
Chris Thomas added to this discussion on February 18, 2020
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This Ohio St team won't be considered one of the most talented teams of all time but very gritty.
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