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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Alex Creech added to this discussion on March 19, 2021
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i'd rather watch chess than folkstyle mat wrestling, i think i'll look up a fischer\spassky match
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on March 19, 2021
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Quote from Matt Schein's post:
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"I personally have no idea how the ref didn’t call that potentially dangerous with sasso’s knee, but it all worked out"
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My "guess" is because he was doing it to himself.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jack Muni added to this discussion on March 19, 2021
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I just watched Ferrari beat Amine at 197. This kid is a character. He had me laughing, pretending he was going to throw his headgear then stops just before he's going to let it go. Coach Smith comes over and takes it from him. I didn't know they had a team point deducted for that in the Big 12 tourney that cost them the outright title that they had to share with Oklahoma. But what a talented freshman.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jeff Fortman added to this discussion on March 19, 2021
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What happened with Marinelli Forf. out of the tournament ?
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Christopher Henderson added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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I was laughing so hard at Ferrari. Truly, an entertainer.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jack Muni added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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Quote from Jason Fair's post:
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Quote from Jim Kessen's post:
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"Horrendous coaching decision to put Smith down in the 2nd"
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Jim, I completely agree. It’s like they did not bother to scout Wentzel. I think it cost Smith a trip to finals."
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This is from the Pitt bio of Wentzel "established a reputation as one of the nation's top wrestlers on top, rarely conceding escapes and regularly forcing opponents to pick neutral"
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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Speaking of Amine, as a Michigan alum I have to say that program deserves a lot of criticism. They have an excellent squad but there's always a "but, if" with them. Far too many of their wrestlers fall short with Amine, whose "chill" style, caught up with him, being the latest. Mason Parris has performed to form but I'm not sure they can say that about anyone else.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jared Ball added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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I 100% agree Hank. Michigan had an opportunity to push into the top tier, and they missed their window. They have absolutely developed Parris into a top tier guy, impressive. But...how much better is Massa then his freshman year? What have they managed to do with all of the Mattin’s? Did Amine or the Serbian Sickle’s focus on international wrestling really translate into NCAA success? Let’s be honest about the Olympic thing too, they are back dooring their way to the Olympics because they are not good enough to make the US team. Michigan has a very solid program, but they have to be disappointed with their failure to capitalize off of the elite talent they ran through the program in the last couple of years. Whereas the Bucks may have pulled redshirt guys too frequently Michigan has done the exact opposite, yet it has not translated to success.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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Quote from Jared Ball's post:
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"I 100% agree Hank. Michigan had an opportunity to push into the top tier, and they missed their window. They have absolutely developed Parris into a top tier guy, impressive. But...how much better is Massa then his freshman year? What have they managed to do with all of the Mattin’s? Did Amine or the Serbian Sickle’s focus on international wrestling really translate into NCAA success? Let’s be honest about the Olympic thing too, they are back dooring their way to the Olympics because they are not good enough to make the US team. Michigan has a very solid program, but they have to be disappointed with their failure to capitalize off of the elite talent they ran through the program in the last couple of years. Whereas the Bucks may have pulled redshirt guys too frequently Michigan has done the exact opposite, yet it has not translated to success."
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Amine did place 5th at the World Championships. So that amount of shade is in overboard.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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Amine is very good but every match this year he did just enough--utilizing a lot of crafty techniques--to win. That caught up to him in the semis. I do think he's better suited for freestyle.
Michigan has had an extraordinary amount of injuries. I don't know why. Bad luck?
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jared Ball added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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Although I’m now reverting to the seasonal post NCAA tourney blues I can’t tell you how great it was to know that we had a tourney this year. Even without fans, the tournament was electric. The semis, blood round, and finals never seem to disappoint.
Admittedly I’d be feeling even better if Sammy would’ve been standing on top of the podium. Upon reflection I had a few takeaways from the three great days of wrestling.
-My disdain for the merkle position as a takedown and control position continues to grow. First Tomasello against Clark and now Sammy. It’s the rule so everyone has equal footing, but you can’t convince me that it’s a position of control that should be awarded with two points. Personally, I think it should be treated like the cradle position. The opponent should be knocked to a hip, or in near fall to be awarded the points.
-Being the number 1 seed isn’t so grand. Only Spencer Lee and Gable Steveson came in as one seeds and left on top of the podium. That seems like an abnormal thing, but then again this was an abnormal season. Probably due in part to the wonky seeds attributed to the schedule.
-It was discussed during the broadcast, but I hope the NCAA continues to allow extra matches in duals, including for redshirts. I think this was an experiment worth keeping. It benefits everyone, and is one step away from modifying the redshirt rule where you get four NCAAs in five years to provide flexibility with injury and redshirting.
-Penn State will own the next four years. Bank it. I’m going to disagree with a tweet Ben Askren put out. This group is better then any of the previous PSU groups. RBY didn’t just beat Fix, he controlled every aspect of the match. Between him, one more year of Nick Lee, Starocci, and the 184 it’s difficult to see that quartet being breached often during the next four years. Add to that Robbie Howard, Michael Beard, and a healthy Kirkvliet making some jumps and they are formidable.
-Iowa is old and beat up. Three torn ACLs in four years is not a good sign for Spencer. Kemerer is one step away from being bionic, and Marinelli just has horrible luck. All these free pass discussions for this year sound like an incredible opportunity, but six and seven years at the division 1 level is not feasible. Even at Happy Happy Valley. Guys breakdown, they get beat up, and they still have the rest of their lives go live. I’m betting an overwhelming majority of the top tier guys do not take advantage of the gifted year. It’s not worth it in the end.
-Lastly, seven championships for Big 10 individuals. The other three went to the Big 12 (2) and the PAC 12 (1). Stanford U can suck it, but it was great to see Cal Poly have a great showing, Utah Valley showed out (you include Orndorf and they had a legit top ten team), Oregon State is improved, and ASU looks like they are on the rise.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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Quote from Jared Ball's post:
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-My disdain for the merkle position as a takedown and control position continues to grow. First Tomasello against Clark and now Sammy. It’s the rule so everyone has equal footing, but you can’t convince me that it’s a position of control that should be awarded with two points. Personally, I think it should be treated like the cradle position. The opponent should be knocked to a hip, or in near fall to be awarded the points.
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I can't disagree with you on this but in HS the person applying it has to show us some sort of "control" for it to be awarded. This could be driving the opponent forward or sideways but it has to be something against their will.
Many coaches seem to think that applying it is an automatic two points (and they will certainly let you know that) but it is not.
Personally I have a bigger issue with control being awarded, from the rear standing position, with a touch of the hands to the mat. No reaction time, IMO, is complete crap. In every other situation that I can think of, control has to be established beyond creation time.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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Jim: Agree that no control TD's seem counterintuitive. All of us would probably agree that Sam never quite had control but according to the rule book he arguably had 2. We're not ticked off if the rule is more sensible.
Jared: 100% with you on the merkle position. It's a side headlock. What are you doing with it? If you have it but can't improve position, is it really control? Force the wrestler with the merkle to gain control before awarding 2.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on March 22, 2021
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"Jim: Agree that no control TD's seem counterintuitive. All of us would probably agree that Sam never quite had control but according to the rule book he arguably had 2. We're not ticked off if the rule is more sensible.
Jared: 100% with you on the merkle position. It's a side headlock. What are you doing with it? If you have it but can't improve position, is it really control? Force the wrestler with the merkle to gain control before awarding 2."
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Exactly. Even in freestyle, where there is less emphasis on control, a merkle is not a takedown!
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Discussion Topic: NCAA Tournament Discussion
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on March 22, 2021
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The Carr/Metcalf celebration was gloriously clever.
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