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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Christopher Henderson added to this discussion on August 12, 2008
In a pretty shocking turn of events Cornhuskers Paul Donahoe and Kenny Jordan were dismissed from the wrestling team for possibly getting paid for modeling. Very strange stuff.
Click here for a link to the article
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Dan Ransick added to this discussion on August 12, 2008
That is some wild stuff there especially when both are starters and Donahoe is a former NCAA champion.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Elliot Lewis added to this discussion on August 12, 2008
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on August 12, 2008
First, let me say that I'm astonished at the stupidity of Donahoe and Jordan. I'm also shocked and dismayed by what they chose to do. It's demeaning to themselves and reflects poorly on the families and institutions with whom they associate. But:
A lot of athletes have done far worse things and gotten second chances esp. those that play basketball and football. Robbery, assault, etc...
I wonder whether or not the decision to dismiss them would hold up in court.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Gary Sommers added to this discussion on August 13, 2008
Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"First, let me say that I'm astonished at the stupidity of Donahoe and Jordan. I'm also shocked and dismayed by what they chose to do. It's demeaning to themselves and reflects poorly on the families and institutions with whom they associate. But:
A lot of athletes have done far worse things and gotten second chances esp. those that play basketball and football. Robbery, assault, etc...
I wonder whether or not the decision to dismiss them would hold up in court."
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Hank, I could be wrong but participating in sports is a privilege, not a right. I cannot imagine any court would, or should, get involved.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on August 13, 2008
Gary: Imagine you were dismissed from your job because you were a nudist on the weekends. If it didn't interfere with your duties, but your boss didn't like it, would it be fair or legal?
I think the technicality that nails Jordan and Donahoe is that they got paid for modeling as representatives of U Nebraska sports (I believe the photos were taken on campus). That's not allowed. But if they were fully clothed and had modeled for a sports catalogue would it also result in their dismissal? Perhaps...I'm not sure of the guidelines regarding scholarship athletes.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Roe Fox added to this discussion on August 13, 2008
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Dan Ransick added to this discussion on August 13, 2008
If they were modeling and getting paid for it what is the difference between them doing that and working at McDonalds? They both are not violating amateur status as an athlete. The reason I see them getting dismissed is become its behavior unbecoming of what Nebraska athletics represent.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on August 13, 2008
I thought if you were a DI scholarship-receiving athlete, you were not allowed to have a money-paying job...Am I wrong on that?
If I'm not, then they could have been in the clear had they posed for free!!! <thumbsup>
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Dan Ransick added to this discussion on August 13, 2008
Division I athletes can work. They work at camps and get paid for it.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Dan Cosimi added to this discussion on August 13, 2008
It's not the same thing as working for McDonald's because when you are an NCAA student-athlete, they own your likeness. You are not allowed to sell your likeness, nor is anyone else. This is why they are not allowed to have names and faces in, for example, the popular NCAA football and basketball video games.
They sold their name and picture (likeness) in those photos. That's a no-no according to the NCAA and it will definitely get them kicked out.
What a shame.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Gary Sommers added to this discussion on August 14, 2008
Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"Gary: Imagine you were dismissed from your job because you were a nudist on the weekends. If it didn't interfere with your duties, but your boss didn't like it, would it be fair or legal?
I think the technicality that nails Jordan and Donahoe is that they got paid for modeling as representatives of U Nebraska sports (I believe the photos were taken on campus). That's not allowed. But if they were fully clothed and had modeled for a sports catalogue would it also result in their dismissal? Perhaps...I'm not sure of the guidelines regarding scholarship athletes."
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Fair? Maybe not.
Legal? I think so. Most people work "at will", and I don't believe nudism is a protected class in this country. Not to mention there might very well, I don't know for sure, be a morals clause in the LOI signed by athletes.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Elliot Lewis added to this discussion on August 14, 2008
Let's face it "Cal" and "Nash" didn't have a gig modeling for the Sears & Roebuck's catalog.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Dan Ransick added to this discussion on August 14, 2008
Dan,
Your right they would be selling their likeness and that would violate their amateur status because they would be getting paid for it. I think the big thing they got in trouble for was it was a pornographic site.
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Discussion Topic: Donahoe and Jordan dismissed from Nebraska team
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on August 14, 2008
Dan: My guess is that you are right. Even if they didn't get paid for it, they would have gotten in some kind of trouble by either the University or the NCAA. Right or wrong, I think that that is the way it would have went down.
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