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► Add to the Discussion Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Greg Debbe added to this discussion on August 14, 2008 I just watched the 84kg semifinal match between Italy and Sweden. This is the match that made the Swedish wrestler leave his bronze medal on the mat. If anyone has seen this match, can you explain why the point was awarded to the Itialian wrestler at the end (about the 1:39 point of the second period)? The match is on nbcolympics.com. The match begins at about 3 hours and 20 minutes into the Mat A, Feed 1 replay. The point is awarded around 3 hours and 35 minutes. Link below: http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0814_sd_wrm_rc_ce177&channelcode=sportwr        Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on August 15, 2008 Greg -- I think they gave the Italian a point because the Swede didn't "open up" fast enough. I saw much, much worse than that in other matches, of guys not opening up. The referee inserted himself into the match -- it was disgraceful -- but there is still no excuse for the Swede's actions on the medal stand.        Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Joe Caprino added to this discussion on August 15, 2008 The ref should have hit the Italian with a caution for crawling off the mat in both the first and second periods. That call was horrible.        Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Greg Debbe added to this discussion on August 15, 2008 Joe - I agree but I don't know the rules to Greco-Roman or freestyle all that well anymore. It's been over 20 years since I've wrestled either and I mostly watch high school and college now. What I am watching now looks like a completely different sport than what I remember about Greco-Roman. The only thing that looks the same is they don't use their legs. I wondered how it was allowed hat the Italian could "crawl" off the mat and not give up a point in both periods. Both times the Swede was down, the ref was hitting the mat and yelling at him. I don't really have much of an opinion about the injustice that did or did not take place but I saw Harry Lester's comments on it on another post and he seemed to think there was injustice. I guess I would consider him a somewhat of a subject matter expert on this topic.        Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Dan Cosimi added to this discussion on August 16, 2008 I might be wrong but I thought the scoring went like this... First period: - The Swede scored one point for not getting turned in par terre. - The Italian scored one point for not getting turned in par terre. - The Italian wins 1-1 because he scored last. Second period: - The Swede scored one point for a pushout. - The Italian scored one point for not getting turned in par terre. - The Italian got x point(s) for a turn... and it really didn't look like he got turned. - The Italian wins x-1. I could be wrong about the Italian's points in the second period but that is what made sense to me from watching the video. Every time I see a result of that match it is only 1-1. There's never any second period score.        Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Greg Debbe added to this discussion on August 16, 2008 If the Italian received a point for a turn, then that ref should never be allowed to ref again. I don't think that is what the point was for. It looked to me like it was point given as a penalty.        Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Joe Caprino added to this discussion on August 16, 2008 Here are the official results http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/WR/C73A/WRM184202.shtml#WRM184202 There was no turn in the second period, the last point for Minguzzi was a caution as the ref indicated with the opposite hand. The caution was either for not opening up or for not staying in place.        Discussion Topic: 84 kg Greco-Roman semifinal between Italy and Sweden Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on August 16, 2008 The caution had to be for not opening up because the Italian crawled away both times -- way worse than the Swede did.        ► Add to the Discussion