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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Maggie Lamantia added to this discussion on January 24, 2010
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I would like to preface this thread with the following--- Tom Ryan is doing outstanding things in Columbus. This afternoon was no exception, as St. John Arena was packed with plenty of Buckeye fans.
In a word, this dual was exciting. With the big match-up at 165, close match at 125, and of course the promise of excitement that comes with any college wrestling match.
Triggas at 125 slips and loses 7-8.
Ian Paddock at 133 was phenomenal, unsurprisingly. Wasting no time to get the first takedown, and over all winning 13-2.
Reece Humphrey seems to fit much better at 141 than trying to slim down to 133 as he did last year. He looks healthier, stronger, and his textbook takedowns didn't hurt him at all to get that tech fall.
Lancelot Palmer is crazy good...going into this match he was 17-1, ranked #3. He goes without saying. Complete animal with raw talent.
Jameson, I am glad you have kept your style. I was worried that college would force him to get "back to the basics" in terms of technique. With more training and being sure his shouler is at 100%, the funk will always win.
#7 Colt Sponseller had an extremely exciting match (I don't think I breathed once!) against #8 Vallimont, and pulled through thanks to a stalling call and riding time 4-2.
Rella and Magrum both did well, winning 12-5 and 10-6 respectively.
at 184 TC Pendelton fights and does not give up the tech fall to Erwin and loses 15-2. Kudos.
CoMo seemed to come back with vengeance with about :30 left in the third, refusing to give up. Puting up a fight he narrowed his margin to lost 10-4.
21-14 team score brings a victory to the Buckeyes. Cael was welcomed to Columbus and his choices now as a Nittany Lion, while sometimes confusing, managed to bring a bit of a fight to the table against Ohio State.
Small shout out to all my new friends at Centennial HS here in Columbus. A growing program that is eager to continue and prosper. 19-2 this year!
I promise you big things are to come!
P.S. - Is David Rourke out there anywhere? I'd like to talk OURWAY with him!
Go Buckeyes!
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Jack Muni added to this discussion on January 24, 2010
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Nice showing for Big Ten Network broadcast. Good crowd. I thought Palmer & Sponseller impressive with ranked opponents. How Palmer fought off that opening single leg attack by Molinaro, I'll never know. Had to frustrate Molinaro. But Lance went on to a tough blue-collar performance. Colt had to overcome what many thought was a premature TD call for Vallimont in the first period. Super nice ride by Colt. Jameson doesn't seem to be as strong as his 157 lb. opponents; he seems to gets muscled out of some nice moves. Is he really a 149 who wrestles at 157? Paddock, Rella & Magrum did what we expected against lesser opponents (record-wise & ranking wise), they won. Was looking forward to the Pucillo/Erwin match, anyone know what was going on?? I saw Mike on the bench, he seemed OK?
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Ben Golden added to this discussion on January 24, 2010
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After National Duals I said that I was impressed with how Lance was more aggressive. He continued that with a couple vicious attacks. I love the new look...
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Rex Holman added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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Lance was able to fight off the single leg due excellent hand control ( 4 fingers) which nullified Molinaro's ability to continue action. That and of course excellent strength, balance and toughness. But the hands prevented that situation from going any further than it did.
Corey did a a couple big no-nos. Shot to the knees, stayed there and got extended. Wade has too much length to employ that technique against. Also, never ever let a guy get the legs in from top position that has the advantage of length, unless you are outstanding from bottom. So, 2 tds (from same position of which CoMo initiated) and a 3 pt NF accounts for 7 of Wade's points. Eliminate that shot against that opponent and do not let the legs in no matter what the circumstance. Corey score two tds on a nice driving shot and a downblock spin behind. That is the model on which his next match against Wade should be written. Shots which lack enough set up and integrity are ill conceived.
A couple things to consider. If the match ends 0-0 after 3min. Wade will take down position in either 2nd or 3rd period. Corey may or may not depending upon his ability to get out. This could present an already known deficit of 1 pt. So a td by Corey with an escape by Wade, still makes it 2-2. Corey needs 2 tds or 1td and a ride out to the end of the period to beat Wade.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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Rex: Did you happen to see the technique used by Lance Palmer to get into his first takedown? I'm just wondering if you had anything to do with that technique.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Rex Holman added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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No I did not. I have not worked with Lance. Typically everything gets recycled in wrestling. A technique that is highly effective will get passed on from one generation to the next and the newest generation will develop it to fit their needs and their style. The coaches that influence wrestlers usually teach the same techniques and there is a ripple effect much like a graphical representation of a family tree. Truth is Lance was in so quick, that I did not see the set up that preceded the shot. I will try to catch the rerun on BTN.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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Over-tie to an cross-hand elbow pop to a single leg. Scrammble to secure.
I seem to recall that technique being taught at a Bishop Ready Camp, circa 2007.
Great stuff.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Rex Holman added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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passed onto me by Bobby douglas ASU wrestling room circa 1988
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Rex Holman added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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I always thought that technique would benefit Lance since he often wrestles from that tie. Couple things that were impressive about it were that it happened in the first period,the timing and depth he was able to penetrate. It was a thing of beauty.
It is by no stretch of the imagination that Joe Heskett has been working on that set-up with him or it may have been Rosselli who often wrestled Eric Akin who relied on that attack, who wrestled for Bobby Douglas. Actually if my memory serves me well Akin scored a last second td in one of the trials against Lou with it. The premise behind it is it will create enough opening if the guy comes slightly out of position. It is hugely dynamic when timing, change of level and explosive penetration all work together, hence Lance's shot.
As for me, I used it a bunch and it is always something I will teach.
Just as a funny story, I remember teaching it at an OSU camp at Mater Dei in Evansville, IN. I overheard one of our counselors talking to one of the kids saying this will never work. True story.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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Agree with Ben about Palmer. He's looking the best I've ever seen and it began at National Duals. His single is money and he's gifted--yes gifted--when it comes to finishing that shot on the edge. He's also a very underrated technician as well as a superb defensive wrestler.
Got a chance to watch the dual last night on BTN. Congrats to the star of the broadcast--Sheri Magrum.
I missed Triggas match except for the third period. Usually if he does well on his feet, he wins big. I think Triggas is improving but the results have not yet bore this out. Hopefully, he's building to a strong finish.
Paddock does a nice job on top. It would be nice to see him get a redshirt next season.
Humphrey is a highlight reel. Love to see him on the attack
Jameson has an unusual ability to score from trouble positions such as being caught in a near cradle or arm bar. But if your best offense is going to be scoring as you're going to your back, the better guys will soon just beat you on their feet and keep you on your belly. He's fun to watch but he's going to have to get better fundamentally in an all around sense. Sanderson was never in danger as he wrestled through a couple potential trouble spots. I did like Jameson's quick early TD.
Sponseller did an excellent job against a quality opponent. He won with smart tough wrestling. Vallimont took away Colts best offense and he still found a way to win.
Rella reminds me of Ferdinand the Bull. It's a childrens story about a bull that's gentle but goes beserk when he gets stung by a bee. Rella always seems to need a bee sting to get going but is very good once it happens.
Pendleton has a lot of physical skill but lacked good high school training. That's what happens when you compete in Alabama--the comp just isn't there. There's a chance he could become a good college wrestler but he's going to need to really want to do it.
Magrum has quietly settled down the 197 spot. He looks much better than he did at 174. If the Bucks don't land Campolatano, they'll be just fine with Magrum for the next four years (including this season). Indeed, I'm unconvinced Campolatano could beat him anyway.
Morrison just had a bad match against a tough matchup stylewise. As Rex pointed out, getting caught on the mat with his head outside was a bad mistake. Corey won't make it again. Still, Wade is taller and heavier and hard to score on. As an aside, this spot comes open next season. Hiles would seem the likely successor but I think it's still an area where the Bucks would like to get stronger. Does Campolatano possibly project as a big man? Could he redshirt a year and build up into this weight class? The answer is of course--just look at Morrison. Wonder if that is Ohio State's secret plan? It might be mine if I were recruiting Campolatano. Incidentally, I've said before that Morrison will put it together at the end of the year and sneak in for AA. I stand by that comment.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Roe Fox added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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Hank:
I saw the match much as you did.
Palmer in particular is just impressive. Molinaro tried to rough it up a bit and Palmer gave it back in spades but never out of position, always in control. I still think he can beat Metcalf but I have thought that for two years now. Palmer is the immovable object.
Jameson is incredibly fun to watch but he simply doesn't have the strength at 157 to compete with better guys. Others have said he should be at 149. He looks it. I imagine that may be a reason they consider Nemec. He isn't likely to get outmuscled.
I really like this team. They are almost never pushed around. Ryan is getting it done.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Ben Golden added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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I missed Triggas match except for the third period. Usually if he does well on his feet, he wins big. I think Triggas is improving but the results have not yet bore this out. Hopefully, he's building to a strong finish."
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Another thing I'll throw out is that, as we enter the Big 10 season, I hope he works very hard on his conditioning. It has been an issue for him in the past against elite opponents, and he will need to be able to finish a match if he wants to hang tough with the likes of Escobedo, Sanders, and McDonough.
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Sponseller did an excellent job against a quality opponent. He won with smart tough wrestling. Vallimont took away Colts best offense and he still found a way to win."
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Despite the fact that Vallimont got the only "takedown" (I don't think control was established, but I'd have to watch it again to be sure), I thought Colt outwrestled him from neutral about as thoroughly as he could without getting a takedown. After Colt escaped, he had Vallimont on the defensive for the rest of the match. Vallimont was looking pretty worn down at the end of the 2nd period, and I think Colt would have been able to get a couple takedowns in the 3rd if Vallimont had escaped. It was nice to see him ride such a quality wrestler out, though.
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Magrum has quietly settled down the 197 spot. He looks much better than he did at 174. If the Bucks don't land Campolatano, they'll be just fine with Magrum for the next four years (including this season). Indeed, I'm unconvinced Campolatano could beat him anyway. "
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For a guy who wrestled 174 last year, I'm not sure you could ask for much more. I don't know if the plan is for him to stay at 197 or move to 184 next year. I imagine it depends on who they have coming in. It looks like he could go either way.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Pat Costilow added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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I think Magrum's weight will have something to do with where Heflin ends up and how well he progresses. That is not to say that Heflin would beat Magrum right now, but that it would be best for the team to have them both in there, provided that Heflin has progressed at a reasonable pace. I want to say that it works out like this;
174- Capone
184- Heflin
197- Magrum
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 25, 2010
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Pat: Don't forget that Demas arrives next year. And the Bucks are thought to want Chris Phillips, Andrew Campolattano (or both). As mentioned, I'd throw Campolattano in the weight room and get him up to 235 if he came. Phillips would be a fantastic signing but I can't see Ohio State spending almost a full to get him. They already have a lot of talent where he projects. My guess is that someone is going to outspend Ohio State for his services.
With Garcia (165), Demas (165-174), Heflin (174-184), Capone (174-184) and Magrum (197), the Bucks have positioned themselves well in their upperwts for several years. I see 285 as the area of need as someone will be needed to push Hiles.
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Discussion Topic: #4 OSU v. #13 PSU -- Results/Thoughts?
Rick Wasmer added to this discussion on January 26, 2010
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Anyone know where you can see the video from the match online ?
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