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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Lang gets destroyed by Patascil. Purdue came close to upsetting Northwestern.
Northwestern 21, Purdue 17
125: Brandon Precin (Northwestern) md. Akif Eren (Purdue) 12-3
133: Sean Schmaltz (Purdue) dec. Eric Metzler (Northwestern) 2-1
141: Keith Sulzer (Northwestern) dec. Matt Redmond (Purdue) 6-0
149: Jake Patacsil (Purdue) md. Ryan Lang (Northwestern) 18-6
157: Nick Bertucci (Purdue) md. Andrew Nadhir (Northwestern) 14-3
165: Dom Marella (Northwestern) dec. Justin Fraga (Purdue) 6-3
174: Nick Hayes (Northwestern) dec. Nick Corpe (Purdue) 2-1 OT
184: A.J. Kissel (Purdue) pin Adil Kolovic (Northwestern) 3:47
197: Mike Tamillow (Northwestern) md. Logan Brown (Purdue) 10-2
285: Dustin Fox (Northwestern) md. Chris Kasten (Purdue) 16-5
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Dustin is back but C.P. didn't wrestle nor did Kish. Mack Reiter continues to struggle.
Illinois 19, Minnesota 17
125: Jayson Ness (Minnesota) md. Gabe Flores (Illinois) 9-0
133: James Kennedy (Illinois) md. Mack Reiter (Minnesota) 6-0
141: Manuel Rivera (Minnesota) md. Ryan Prater (Illinois) 16-5
149: Dustin Schlatter (Minnesota) dec. Grant Paswall (Illinois) 8-2
157: Mike Poeta (Illinois) pin Luke Mellmer (Minnesota) 4:00
165: Tyler Safratowich (Minnesota) dec. Clinton Arlis (Illinois) 11-4
174: Gabe Dretsch (Minnesota) dec. John Dergo (Illinois) 7-2
184: Ben Friedl (Illinois) dec. Jeremy Larson (Minnesota) 4-1
197: Pat Bond (Illinois) dec. Yura Malamura (Minnesota) 8-2
285: John Wise (Illinois) md. Ben Berhow (Minnesota) 10-2
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Russell over Ruschell could benefit Jaggers for Big ten seeding. Massey has looked very good except against J.D.
Wisconsin 20, Michigan 18
125: Collin Cudd (Wisconsin) dec. Mike Watts (Michigan) 9-5
133: Zach Tanelli (Wisconsin) md. Chris Diehl (Michigan) 14-1
141: Kellen Russell (Michigan) dec. Kyle Ruschell (Wisconsin) 6-4
149: Justin Chrzanowski (Michigan) dec. Kendall Vogel (Wisconsin) 7-2
157: Craig Henning (Wisconsin) dec. Jeff Marsh (Michigan) 6-2
165: Eric Tannenbaum (Michigan) dec. Jake Donar (Wisconsin) 6-3
174: Steve Luke (Michigan) dec. Dan Clum (Wisconsin) 10-3
184: Ty Todd (Michigan) pin Justin Peterson (Wisconsin) 2:48
197: Dallas Herbst (Wisconsin) pin Anthony Biondo (Michigan) 1:17
285: Kyle Massey (Wisconsin) md. Chad Bleske (Michigan) 11-0
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Iowa 28, Indiana 7
125: Charlie Falck (Iowa) dec. Angel Escobedo (Indiana) 4-2
133: Joey Slaton (Iowa) dec. Andrae Hernandez (Indiana) 3-2
141: Dan LeClere (Iowa) tf. Scott Kelly (Indiana) 23-8
149: Brent Metcalf (Iowa) md. Kurt Kinser (Indiana) 19-6
157: Brandon Becker (Indiana) md. Ryan Morningstar (Iowa) 9-0
165: Matt Coughlin (Indiana) dec. Jake Kerr (Iowa) 7-4
174: Jay Borschel (Iowa) md. Trevor Perry (Indiana) 11-3
184: Phil Keddy (Iowa) md. Marc Bennett (Indiana) 17-5
197: Chad Beatty (Iowa) dec. Nathan Everhart (Indiana) 9-7
285: Matt Fields (Iowa) dec. Joe Fagiano (Indiana) 7-3
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Penn State 26, Michigan State 13
125: Joel Trombly (Michigan State) dec. Eric Caschera (Penn State) 7-1
133: Franklin Gomez (Michigan State) md. Tim Haas (Penn State) 13-5
141: Garrett Scott (Penn State) won by forfeit
149: Bubba Jenkins (Penn State) dec. Eddie Skowneski (Michigan State) 7-2
157: Dan Vallimont (Penn State) md. John Fulger (Michigan State) 15-3
165: Rex Kendle (Michigan State) default Dave Rella (Penn State)
174: Dave Erwin (Penn State) dec. John Murphy (Michigan State) 5-4
184: Phil Bomberger (Penn State) dec. Nick Palmieri (Michigan State) 7-6
197: Phil Davis (Penn State) dec. Joe Williams (Michigan State) 7-0
285: John Laboranti (Penn State) md. Alan O'Donnell (Michigan State) 14-4
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Patacil majoring Ryan Lang is a suprise. Patacil is a beast on top. I assume he tilted Lang for a bunch of nf points. Falk over Escobedo will go a long way towards deciding seeding at Big 10 and utlimately NCAA. Russell over Ruschell further complicates the crowded 141 class at Big 10. Jaggers has split with both these guys but I think gets the high seed b/c he is a returning AA.
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Scott:
I have no idea how they'll seed 141 in the Big Ten. Keep in mind that the Vegas results are supposed to be disregarded. That would erase Russell's win over Jags and Todd's over Pucillo. Conversely, Jags pinned Ruschell in Vegas so that would also be lost.
If Jags can beat Rivera, he has a good shot to be the top seed at Big Tens as everyone is likely to have a few losses and he'll be the lone returning AA (unless Strayer were to return to Penn State's lineup). But at this crazy weight class, it might not help to be top seed as Garrett Scott, Keith Sulzer and the Illinois kid--all of whom are very tough--will be the lower seeds or possibly unseeded. Jags, Russell, LeClere, Prater, Scott, Rivera, Sulzer and Ruschell--that's a brutal weight.
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Pat Costilow added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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I saw Palmieri-Bomberger on BTN. Palmieri hit an awesome ankle pick at the beginning of the match, and made that hold up until very near the end. He was leading 6-5 in the waning moments of the match when he shut down. Bomberger left his lead leg way out front, just asking for a shot with about 20 seconds left. Palmieri, however, had shut down. Had he at least taken a shot, he could have held on for the win. He didn't, however, and gave up the winning takedown with 4 seconds left. Two weeks ago, he beat Branvolt, and lost a close decision to the very good Marc Bennett of Indiana. He is starting to come around.
On another note, Keddy beating Bennett 17-5 is very impressive. Bennett is a solid opponent, and that is an impressive score. Keddy has looked awesome this year, and if he doesn't AA, I will be surprised. In fact, if you go from 125-184 in Iowa's lineup, the only wrestler I don't realistically see making AA is Morningstar.
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Cliff Cahill added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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125 5
1 Jayson Ness So. Minnesota 30-0 1
2 Angel Escobedo So. Indiana 24-0 2
3 Charlie Falck Jr. Iowa 27-2 3
5 Brandon Precin So. Northwestern 27-4 5
9 Gabe Flores Sr. Illinois 20-6 9
10 Mark McKnight Sr. Penn State 10-6 10
133 7.3
3 Joey Slaton So. Iowa 27-2 3
4 Franklin Gomez So. Michigan State 22-1 4
5 Mack Reiter Sr. Minnesota 18-4 5
9 Jimmy Kennedy So. Illinois 21-4 9
11 Zach Tanelli Jr. Wisconsin 18-8 11
12 Andrae Hernandez So. Indiana 17-7 12
141 7.16
3 Manuel Rivera Sr. Minnesota 27-4 3
6 Kyle Ruschell So. Wisconsin 21-4 7
7 Dan LeClere So. Iowa 22-7 8
8 J Jaggers Jr. Ohio State 20-5 9
9 Garrett Scott Fr. Penn State 14-3 11
10 Kellen Russell Fr. Michigan 23-5 4
149 4.3
1 Brent Metcalf So. Iowa 27-1 1
3 Dustin Schlatter Jr. Minnesota 13-1 3
4 Josh Churella Sr. Michigan 21-4 8
5 Bubba Jenkins So. Penn State 17-3 4
6 Ryan Lang Sr. Northwestern 11-3 5
7 Lance Palmer So. Ohio State 19-6 6
157 4.0
2 Mike Poeta Jr. Illinois 22-2 1
3 Dan Vallimont So. Penn State 22-1 2
4 Brandon Becker Sr. Indiana 17-3 8
5 Craig Henning Sr. Wisconsin 19-3 3
6 C.P. Schlatter Sr. Minnesota 25-2 7
165 6.5
1 Mark Perry Sr. Iowa 18-2 1
3 Eric Tannenbaum Sr. Michigan 24-2 3
8 Colt Sponseller Fr. Ohio State 15-1 8
14 Matt Coughlin So. Indiana 21-7 12
174 8.3
2 Jay Borschel So. Iowa 26-4 2
4 Steve Luke Jr. Michigan 24-3 4
11 Gabe Dretsch Sr. Minnesota 23-9 11
12 Nick Hayes Sr. Northwestern 17-9 12
15 John Dergo So. Illinois 17-8 16
16 Dave Erwin So. Penn State 21-8 17
184 8.8
2 Mike Pucillo So. Ohio State 24-1 3
3 Tyrel Todd Jr. Michigan 22-2 2
7 Phil Keddy So. Iowa 23-6 7
10 Roger Kish Sr. Minnesota 11-5 10
14 Phil Bomberger Jr. Penn State 15-6 14
17 Trevor Brandvold So. Wisconsin 15-9 17
197 9.17
2 Mike Tamillow Sr. Northwestern 21-2 2
3 Phil Davis Sr. Penn State 14-1 3
8 Dallas Herbst Jr. Wisconsin 23-2 4
11 Patrick Bond So. Illinois 18-4 13
15 Anthony Biondo Fr. Michigan 23-8 14
16 Joe Williams Sr. Michigan State 22-10 15
285 9.17
1 Dustin Fox Sr. Northwestern 15-0 1
2 J.D. Bergman Sr. Ohio State 25-1 2
4 Kyle Massey Jr. Wisconsin 20-5 4
7 Matt Fields Sr. Iowa 24-6 7
15 John Wise Jr. Illinois 21-10 17
16 John Laboranti So. Penn State 20-6 18
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Cliff Cahill added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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Where do the Bucks finish in Big Ten with following morning line odds per InterMat rankings
125 - dnp
133 - 7th
141 - 3rd
149 - 6th
157 - 6th
165 - 3rd
174 - 5th
184 - 1st
197 - 7th
285 - 2nd
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on February 16, 2008
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I think when it's said and done Triggas qualifies for NCAA. He has wins over Cudd, McKnight, Purdue, Mich. St., and I think he beats Michigan next time.
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Jack Muni added to this discussion on February 17, 2008
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Yeah, Triggas is interesting. If he puts in a tough ride, he might turn some people for big back points; but sometimes he'll ride but has trouble turning people. He's kinda a darkhorse, but talented enough to upset about anyone. Who knows? I thought Edinboro might beat him and he gets the 1st TD, puts the chicken wing in, gets the wrist, cranks him over, figure-4's the head, PIN! Bam, just like that.
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Cliff Cahill added to this discussion on February 17, 2008
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The data I provided might not be too clear - the numbers to the far left is the ranking in the NATION. With the number next to weight class the average of NATIONAL ranking for the weight class of Big Ten teams.
I suppose with such a weight class they might allow 7. So then how does he avoid hitting any of these guys in first two matches. Very tough job to get out but if he does I would think it would be a big spark for the team given this stacked class compared to his season.
125 5
1 Jayson Ness So. Minnesota 30-0 1
2 Angel Escobedo So. Indiana 24-0 2
3 Charlie Falck Jr. Iowa 27-2 3
5 Brandon Precin So. Northwestern 27-4 5
9 Gabe Flores Sr. Illinois 20-6 9
10 Mark McKnight Sr. Penn State 10-6 10
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 17, 2008
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Cliff, et.al:
The Bucks might not finish high at the Big Tens as they have several wrestlers that will struggle to qualify. Also, only Bergman and Pucillo seem like "shoo-ins" to make top four at their wts. Triggas and Johnstone have shots as both have demonstrated alot of skill in spite of in conference struggles. Picazo and Weakley would appear to be the least likely.
Still, if the Bucks have demonstrated one quality this year--it's heart. Guys like Jags, Hump, Spons and Palmer have always bounced back from disappointing losses. Indeed, the Bucks have been more ready to compete as the season goes on.
Bucks have had a fabulous season. At this point, one hopes they will remain healthy. That's been a key all year.
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Discussion Topic: Big Ten Results--some surprises
Cliff Cahill added to this discussion on February 17, 2008
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I simply put out some data points for facts as a base for discussions. Now I might stick in an opinion/observations.
Hank, et.al:
One of the data points to use in the handicapping is the relative strength of the class and thus likely hood to get out. Much attention is given to 149 because of all the hype loaded into the famous ones. However, 157 is the class of most strength - can you believe - #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 with lowest relative strength score of 4.0. Then look at 125 with #1 #2 #3 #5 with third most difficult realtive strength. So I do not think the odds makers would give us much of a chance of getting out in these two classes. And personally, I have not seen any noticeable improvement in either 125 or 157 as they have had to go through this gauntlet in the dual season. The good side is if they find a way to get out, i.e. because of relative strength they take 7 or more from Big Ten to NCAA and Ryan manages a seed at Big Ten to avoid early match up with big guys in the consolations then the NCAA could be another story since now the opposite is true as all the top seeds in NCAA will be Big Ten allowing for Nikko and Jason to gather some team points and who knows how much given the #3 NCAA Hellickson was able to pull off in these tournament conditions.
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