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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Ethan Moore added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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Appears the D1 and D2 dual finals both came down to the final match. What an event.
What are the current thoughts on the competitive landscape?
From a few hundred miles away it seems like HS wrestling is very healthy in Ohio. In D1 you have 4 programs very relevant nationally in Eds, Brecksville, Wadsworth, and Elyria. You could probably add Cincinnati Lasalle to that mix as well. Add in programs like Olentangy Liberty, perrysburg, Coffman, etc and the current landscape seems healthy with good geographic parity.
In D2 Graham is being pushed annually after a 20 year or so stretch with no real challengers.
Anyone have background on the Louisville program? I looked at Josh’s synopsis and they’re good at almost every weight.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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I have a very different take on this, sad to say.
The teams at the top are very good and the individuals are likely better than they have ever been.
Down the pole, IMO, not so much.
Very few teams can field a full 14 man line up. I rarely do any dual meet without having a number of forfeits by one team or the other. Then you get into whether the existing weights line up with one another.
Next we have a wide disparity in talent. Pins are quite frequent. The you combine those two facts, you have dual meets that are over in 30 to 40 minutes.
I would not call that very healthy.
None of this detracts from the fact that the Duals in Columbus were very entertaining. A great event with tons of enthusiasm. Having officiated the Duals, I really enjoyed the way the crowds were into it.
IMO, the OHSAA needs to get behind the sanctioning of girls wrestling in the state of Ohio. I really believe the future of the sport might depend on the ladies wrestling.
Just my $.02.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Alex Creech added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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Quote from Jim Behrens's post:
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"I have a very different take on this, sad to say.
The teams at the top are very good and the individuals are likely better than they have ever been.
Down the pole, IMO, not so much.
Very few teams can field a full 14 man line up. I rarely do any dual meet without having a number of forfeits by one team or the other. Then you get into whether the existing weights line up with one another.
Next we have a wide disparity in talent. Pins are quite frequent. The you combine those two facts, you have dual meets that are over in 30 to 40 minutes.
I would not call that very healthy.
None of this detracts from the fact that the Duals in Columbus were very entertaining. A great event with tons of enthusiasm. Having officiated the Duals, I really enjoyed the way the crowds were into it.
IMO, the OHSAA needs to get behind the sanctioning of girls wrestling in the state of Ohio. I really believe the future of the sport might depend on the ladies wrestling.
Just my $.02."
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I agree about the forfeits. I was going through the team tournament brackets and I couldn't believe the # of forfeits until about the quarterfinals.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Jared Ball added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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I would wholly support the idea of maintaining 13/14 of the weights for tournament and post season competition. I think leagues like the OCC should consider a format that allows the weights to shrink down to ten for duals to increase competitive balance. Obviously there would be some issues with descent plans for jostling weight classes around, but I think this would address the issue of forfeiting without compromising the existing structure of the sport. I recognize that none of this solves the issue of participation, but it could be a realistic solution to the current problem.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Christopher Henderson added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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I moved to Montana a few years ago, and went to a wrestling tournament last week. It was the big school division, but I was still surprised to see every team field a full squad. There are only thirteen weight classes here, and that appears to have helped. 195 and 220 are condensed into 205 which makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know why they ever had a 220. 106 is 103 here, which seems strange, but they had kids small enough, so it seems to work. Other states should think about making a 205lbs weight class and going to 13 total classes. Fewer forfeits, better competition.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Dan Strope added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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Quote from Ethan Moore's post:
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"Appears the D1 and D2 dual finals both came down to the final match. What an event.
What are the current thoughts on the competitive landscape?
From a few hundred miles away it seems like HS wrestling is very healthy in Ohio. In D1 you have 4 programs very relevant nationally in Eds, Brecksville, Wadsworth, and Elyria. You could probably add Cincinnati Lasalle to that mix as well. Add in programs like Olentangy Liberty, perrysburg, Coffman, etc and the current landscape seems healthy with good geographic parity.
In D2 Graham is being pushed annually after a 20 year or so stretch with no real challengers.
Anyone have background on the Louisville program? I looked at Josh’s synopsis and they’re good at almost every weight."
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Not quite sure how you can say there is graphical parity when 11 of the 12 semi final teams are located north of Route 70 with Brookville close to making it 12 of 12 and 9 of the 12 East of Route 23?
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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Jeff Reid added to this discussion on February 17, 2020
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Quote from Christopher Henderson's post:
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"I moved to Montana a few years ago, and went to a wrestling tournament last week. It was the big school division, but I was still surprised to see every team field a full squad. There are only thirteen weight classes here, and that appears to have helped. 195 and 220 are condensed into 205 which makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know why they ever had a 220. 106 is 103 here, which seems strange, but they had kids small enough, so it seems to work. Other states should think about making a 205lbs weight class and going to 13 total classes. Fewer forfeits, better competition."
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Where at in MT? My brother has a home in Livingston and I coached for half a year at Park HS. Really cool to see the state tournament when the kids from Browning come out in full Blackfoot headdress.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio HS Team Championships
Christopher Henderson added to this discussion on February 22, 2020
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I live in Bozeman, just a half hour drive from Livingston. I do miss the intensity and quality of Ohio and Pennsylvania wrestling over here, but some college D1 talent does come from this area. All American Jarrett Degan at ISU is from Belgrade just down the road.
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