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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on November 2, 2020
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Did you like it? Why or why not?
Hypothetically, would you support having it again? Why or why not?
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Joe Kinzel added to this discussion on November 2, 2020
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A couple of thoughts/questions cross my mind:
How many schools have a difficult time filling the 125# class with quality guys now?
With schools only allotted 9.9 scholarships, how would adding another class affect recruiting?
If we are going to add another weight class wouldn't a middle or upper middle weight class addition make more sense?
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Alex Creech added to this discussion on November 2, 2020
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I'd rather see a 220 than a 118.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on November 2, 2020
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That weight class went away for reasons we all remember. Those reasons have not changed. Guys that size at that age are extremely rare and it leads to what happened in the past. Wrestlers would do stupid things to make the weight.
If we "have" to add a weight class, I agree that it should be in the middle to upper range.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on November 2, 2020
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Quote from Alex Creech's post:
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"I'd rather see a 220 than a 118."
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The NCWA has a 235 pound class. Something in that range would be good for the rest of college wrestling. Too many high school 220's have to choose between sucking down to 197 or bulking up to 285.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on November 2, 2020
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Quote from Justin Hayes's post:
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"Did you like it? Why or why not?
Hypothetically, would you support having it again? Why or why not?"
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Back when we had it, the weigh-in rules were completely different. Some people act like the lowest weight class was eliminated, but it didn't go away, since every weight class except for heavyweight increased by 7 pounds to accommodate the new weigh in rules (heavyweight increased from 275 to 285 the same year). Changing the weight from 118 to 125 didn't really take away any opportunities, as most guys that could make 118 under the old rules were well suited for 125 (in some cases even 133) under the new rules. The amount of guys that could make 118 under the new weigh-in rules would have been a relatively small number.
If you compare 1998 brackets to 1999 brackets, most guys went up 7 pounds, and some did even more. Casey Cunningham went from 142 to 157 and Doug Schwab went from 126 to 141. I haven't gone through every single name, but I'm sure that the number of guys that went down (for example, 126 to 125) is close to zero.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Jack Muni added to this discussion on November 3, 2020
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Quote from Alex Creech's post:
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"I'd rather see a 220 than a 118."
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I'm with you, I remember Snyder having to wrestle guys that outweighed him by 50-60 pounds, it just didn't seem fair. Singletary went through the same thing.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on November 3, 2020
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I liked the 118-pound weight class when it was around. I was a light weight early in my wrestling career and always identified and followed the introductory weight. I grew up with Ricky Bonomo, Jack Cuvo and Kenny Chertow, Zeke Jones and Jack Griffin, Jeff Prescott and Chad Zapitul, Sammy Henson and Lou Rosselli. It was an exciting weight class with a lot of action and offense.
I think, for the most part, the spirit of the weight class stayed intact...quick, athletic, offensive-minded wrestlers with innovative technique. I don't think we lost much as a sport when they made the switch to 125. I think it's telling that the first NCAA champion crowned at the new 125-pound introductory weight was the incomparable Stephen Abas...one of the most innovative and offensive wrestler of all time.
I will say, as a child of the '80s, there were a few wrestlers that I really enjoyed watching that I felt lacked the size to be successful at 125. Guys like Corey Baze and Erik Burnett were able to achieve All American status at 118 based on their tremendous skills. They likely would've been overpowered by lesser wrestlers at 125.
I don't think the NCAA should add a lower introductory weight. The only changes that I think the NCAA should be considering is maybe aligning weights more with the international weight classes.
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Discussion Topic: NCAA 118 lbs. Weight Class
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on November 3, 2020
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Change the 197 lb weight class to 225
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