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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jason L. Jackson added to this discussion on January 19, 2021
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Ohio State v. Rutgers
125 - Big match for Malik. He got mauled by Aguilar last year and lost 14-1! Malik flipped two results this past weekend and I think he can do it again. However, I'm picking Aguilar by decision and hoping I'm wrong.
OSU 0 - RU 3
133 - Devon Britton, but Aguilar, wrestled the first match for Rutgers. If he's in there, Decatur has a shot, but I'm not picking him to win until I see it.
OSU 0 - RU 6
141 - If OSU doesn't steal one of the first two matches the dual could get away from them quickly. Rivera majored Martin and I see the same here.
OSU 0 - RU 10
149 - Sammy gets the Buckeyes on the board here with a win over Van Brill.
OSU 3 - RU 10
157 - Big match for Cleary and I think he pulls out a decision over Kennard.
OSU 6 - RU 10
165 - I'll take Smith over Donner, with the outside shot at a major.
OSU 9 - RU 10
174 - Romero beat Grillo 9-2 last year, and I think he'll do it again. Hopefully he pushes for bonus, because the Bucks might need it.
OSU 12 - RU 10
184 - Rocky lost one late to Janzen (now at 197) last year, but he should be able to beat Poznanski.
OSU 15 - RU 10
197 - Janzer gets RU off the schnide and this one comes down to heavy.
OSU 15 - RU 13
285 - Orndorff is the favorite, but he looked bad this past weekend. I think he gets his first win as a Buckeye, at least I hope he does.
OSU 18 - RU 13
Overall
This is a match OSU could easily lose if they wrestle as poorly as they did against Illinois. If they wrestle to their potential, this could be a blowout for the Bucks.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jack Muni added to this discussion on January 19, 2021
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Interested to see if TR puts D'Emilio or Echemendia out there at 141. Echemendia has wrestled James Green and Evan Henderson in FS, and was close til the end of the Green match. I would think Anthony has the ability to pull off an upset more than Dylan??? But Rivera is a super tough rider which is not good for Echemendia.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jared Ball added to this discussion on January 19, 2021
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Rutgers posted a picture on their social media that had Sammy Alvarez listed. If I’m remembering correctly, in last years dual Alirez caught Malik on his back twice. I don’t believe it was through the act of enforcing an overwhelming ride and some turns from the top position. Likewise, I seem to remember Alvarez edging out Decatur by a couple of takedowns. If that’s the case I think the Bucks will have to dominate this dual in the upper weights. I think whoever the Bucks throw out at 141 they will lose. While D’Emilio won the spot, I think you go with Enchemendia. Let’s see how he fares. Best case scenario the Bucks are down 3-6 after three. I think it’s more likely that they’re down 11-0. I’ll give bonus to Rivera, and Alvarez. After that I’m hopeful that the Bucks can take six of the next seven. I’m curious if Singletary gets the nod over Hoffman. Ultimately I think the Bucks get the W
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jack Muni added to this discussion on January 19, 2021
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One other thing, because of Echemendia's strength I think he is less likely to be pinned or tilted like most guys that Rivera rides.(I hope) And with one more week adjusting to 165 I look forward to the Smith match. Also, I hope we have more of those exhibition matches like we had last week.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 21, 2021
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I want to see Gas Tank Gary plus Singletary and DeEmilio. I'm on the Deemilio bandwagon. Echemedia needed a redshirt season to wrestle opens and learn folk.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Joe Kinzel added to this discussion on January 21, 2021
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"I want to see Gas Tank Gary plus Singletary and DeEmilio. I'm on the Deemilio bandwagon. Echemedia needed a redshirt season to wrestle opens and learn folk."
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Isn't this like a redshirt season for Echemendia? I thought this season did not count against anyone's eligibility. Perhaps I misinterpreted it.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jared Ball added to this discussion on January 21, 2021
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It doesn’t count, you are correct. I think Hank was simply sharing who he’d like to see start. I gotta say it was a little disheartening to hear the flo radio guys share their assessment of where the Bucks fall nationally. They slipped to #15 in the dual rankings. I think it’s a fair criticism, but it’s also unfortunate due to the fact that many guys in the lineup have not had the opportunity to prove themselves. In TR we trust!
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jim Kessen added to this discussion on January 21, 2021
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"I want to see Gas Tank Gary plus Singletary and DeEmilio. I'm on the Deemilio bandwagon. Echemedia needed a redshirt season to wrestle opens and learn folk."
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I'm not sure Gas Tank Gary is the same guy from last year. Supposedly he put on 30lbs and barely beat the WI backup and did absolutely nothing in the wrestle off.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on January 21, 2021
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Quote from Jim Kessen's post:
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Quote from Hank Kornblut's post:
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"I want to see Gas Tank Gary plus Singletary and DeEmilio. I'm on the Deemilio bandwagon. Echemedia needed a redshirt season to wrestle opens and learn folk."
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I'm not sure Gas Tank Gary is the same guy from last year. Supposedly he put on 30lbs and barely beat the WI backup and did absolutely nothing in the wrestle off."
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After watching Orndorf in the first two duals, I missed he passion with which Gary competed. I recognize that Orndorf can improve and that there is no guarantee Gary is the same wrestler. As for barely beating the Wiscy backup, I'm sure his motivation was lacking.
The problem I saw with Orndorf was that he couldn't ride and he couldn't score if he didn't hit his elbow push single. He seemed too one dimensional. It's early. But unfortunately the opportunities to shake the rust will not exist this season unless one does it in the practice room. That's TR's challenge. How do you make your practices into the equivalent of Open events? Can you scrimmage other teams the way we used to do in high school (probably not due to Covid or NCAA regulations)?
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jack Muni added to this discussion on January 21, 2021
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I guess the only thing to do is have those exhibition matches before/after the dual, if both teams can arrange it.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Scott Nicola added to this discussion on January 22, 2021
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[quote="Jared Ball"]Rutgers posted a picture on their social media that had Sammy Alvarez listed. If I’m remembering correctly, in last years dual Alirez caught Malik on his back twice. I don’t believe it was through the act of enforcing an overwhelming ride and some turns from the top position. Likewise, I seem to remember Alvarez edging out Decatur by a couple of takedowns. If that’s the case I think the Bucks will have to dominate this dual in the upper weights. I think whoever the Bucks throw out at 141 they will lose. While D’Emilio won the spot, I think you go with Enchemendia. Let’s see how he fares. Best case scenario the Bucks are down 3-6 after three. I think it’s more likely that they’re down 11-0. I’ll give bonus to Rivera, and Alvarez. After that I’m hopeful that the Bucks can take six of the next seven. I’m curious if Singletary gets the nod over Hoffman. Ultimately I think the Bucks get the W[/quote
I think Malik has made a jump and hopefully he can turn it around but I remember him taking a solid butt kicking in last years Rutgers match and being dominated in every phase. Again he seems to have improved and maybe this year will be different but last year was not a close or flukey loss from where I sat. I think FLo is a little writing off the Bucks. It seems like tOSU always has a clunker early season dual before pulling it together.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on January 22, 2021
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I don't think anyone's writing the Bucks off, I think they're honestly evaluating them. Sasso looks good and that weight is wide open. He's certainly on the short list of guys who can realistically win the title at 149. Romero at 174 has finalist potential. I don't see anyone beating Michael Kemerer, but I guess anything's possible? I could also see him as a middle to low AA (no small feat).
The rest of the lineup is pretty pedestrian compared to where tOSU has been the last several years. I agree that Heinselman has made a jump, but that jump likely took him from a hole in the lineup to a serviceable 125-pounder in the Big Ten (again, no small feat). Getting a win or two at Nationals is an achievable goal.
133 and 141 are going to be issues this year. 157 will be similar to last season. Assuming Smith is the same wrestler (or improved from another years growth), a low All American isn't out of the question, but it isn't likely either. Jordan, Singletary/Hoffman and Orndorff are all NCAA qualifier-type guys that have a shot at a low All American, but I think they're all a year away...maybe two.
The loss of kharcha really hurt this squad. He was a legitimate contender and would've caused the same kind of enthusiasm that Pletcher did last year. Even though it would've been his first year on the mat, he's an Ohio product and a known commodity that the Ohio State faithful had been looking toward for a long time. Had Kharcha not been injured, Ohio State has three contenders in the lineup (all underclassman) and that would've covered up the fact that, while they have better depth then they have had in the past, they also have several holes in the lineup that prevent them from being an elite team.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on January 22, 2021
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Solid assessment Michael.
Will be interesting to see if they can make large jumps from last weekend to the B1G's. Not being "in the room" from mid-March to November is a HUGE problem.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jack Muni added to this discussion on January 22, 2021
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They listed 2 guys for 141, 197 & 285. for OSU, so I guess we have to wait and see who wrestles those weights on Sunday.
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Discussion Topic: Ohio State v. Rutgers - January 24, 2021
Jared Ball added to this discussion on January 23, 2021
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I recall there being discussion regarding coaches who were excellent at developing guys. Cael obviously stands at the top of the list. I feel like Iowa always gets a lot of their guys. I think most coaches have a mixed bag, and unfortunately the jury is still out on many Buckeyes. I think you measure development by comparing the recruiting assessment of where a guy is at coming out of high school in direct proportion to how they perform. Kenny Courts, Andrew Campalatano, Nikko Triggas, etc didn’t exactly end up where you thought they might for one reason or another. Snyder, Stieber, Tomasello, etc met or exceeded expectations. Probably the best example of this is Kollin Moore. He absolutely excelled past what was expected. Unfairly or not, I’m see more types of guys in this crop from the former group rather than the latter. Where is Malik’s development? Hoffman was supposed to be all world. Rocky Jordan...well to be honest he’s about what I expected (He’s not Bo or Micah). We’ve gotten pretty spoiled with success in Columbus during TRs tenure. It’s a good thing that our expectations are where they are. At this moment I’m in agreement that this looks like a two AA type of team. As has been stated on this board before, guys are allowed to get better. But...that’s going to have to be soon in a Covid shortened season.
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