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Discussion Topic: Top Position Initial Breakdown - Bottom position initial move
Bruce Andrews added to this discussion on February 13, 2021
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In comparing what the Penn State wrestlers do as their initial move on top versus what Ohio State does, I noticed that the PSU wrestlers often go for the ankle in order to arrest the bottom man's initial move. Of course, the referee starts counting, but the PSU wrestler quickly transitions to a claw or spiral ride. On the other hand, the OSU wrestlers rarely grab an angle and instead go right to a claw or spiral ride with forward pressure. This doesn't seem to prevent the bottom man from standing up and eventually escaping. I saw a lot of quick escapes from the Michigan wrestler in yesterday's match.
As for getting out from the bottom position, very few wrestlers do a power standup, like Phil Keddy from Iowa used to do. They slowly work to their base, while trying to maintain hand control. Is the powerful first move considered to be not effective by OSU coaches?
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Discussion Topic: Top Position Initial Breakdown - Bottom position initial move
Roe Fox added to this discussion on February 13, 2021
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How about the number of false start warnings on TSUN wrestlers from the top position? Almost none on the Buckeyes.
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Discussion Topic: Top Position Initial Breakdown - Bottom position initial move
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on February 13, 2021
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Quote from Roe Fox's post:
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"How about the number of false start warnings on TSUN wrestlers from the top position? Almost none on the Buckeyes."
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I always tell new officials that if you having a bunch of false starts it is likely something you, as the official, are doing to draw the jumped start.
In the case last night, I mentioned to the GF that all of the cautions were on UM wrestlers. That can't be blamed on the official.
I have no idea what was causing the false starts (and there was an improper line up too) but they must be used to getting away with it.
This official had a fast whistle so if you were jumping his whistle, you were really fast.
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Discussion Topic: Top Position Initial Breakdown - Bottom position initial move
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on February 14, 2021
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The power stand up only works for a certain type of wrestler. Having watched a lot of D1 collegiate wrestling, the key is hand control and getting your hips clear (duh). If you hit a fast stand up but don't have hands, you're just going to get lifted, returned and possibly flattened out. Sammy Sasso is incredibly good at making it look easy on bottom with a stand up and hands but he is always shifting his weight and throwing his opponent off balance. Heinselman has developed a nice sit. Cleary and Romero have excellent switches which they use to get their hips clear.
But again, so much has to do with being able to get hands first and then getting the hips clear. Some guys are good at it when they arrive in college (esp PA wrestlers) while others have to work at it.
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