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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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Having watched Avengers Endgame recently, it made me appreciate a scene in which Dr Strange is highlighted.
If you recall, Strange is off by himself in a meditative state. In effect, what he is doing is watching the evolution of millions of scenarios play out with regard to Earth having a chance of survival. Only one scenario, allowed for a positive outcome despite a great sacrifice.
In Dr Strange, the movie, a similar scenario plays out in which he traps Dormammu in a time loop. Strange suffers the same grim fate each time, but arises anew as he is in control of the loop. The bigger, stronger entity is really at the mercy of Strange.
Where am I going with this?
In the first scenario, only by allowing certain things to happen can you arrive at the desired outcome. Deviate and suffer the consequence. Sound familiar. If Smith had chosen a certain way, then he stood the best chance of winning. Choosing a different way will almost certainly end in loss. Had He chosen both up in the second or deferred, then he had the most likelihood of a positive outcome. Did the coaches fall into complacency towards the most commonly chosen decision to take down. During the regular season, 95% of the time, you choose down. You are your behavior.
In the second scenario, the time loop signifies the outcome if you play by the others' rules rather than your own. You are going to arrive at the same result. So, if you play into another's strengths, you are most likely to get beat. However, if you play the game by your own rules and only engage your positions of strength, then it is highly likely that you win.
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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So, here's a question--who does everyone think is the better wrestler? Smith or Weitzel?
Is there a definitive answer?
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Jason L. Jackson added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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Folkstyle - Wentzel, he's better in 2 out of 3 positions.
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Sean Koran added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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I wouldn't say being better in 2 out of 3 positions means he is better. Their relative strengths in each position matter. For instance, Wetzel rode Ethan hard, but did not score from top. If the better neutral wrestler is able to take down the lesser multiple times and give up quick escapes without getting a danger for a reversal (which Smith did for unknown reasons), and the better mat wrestler is unable to score from top, then there is a decent likelihood the guy who is better in neutral wins the match. E.g., 3 TDs = 6 points for the better neutral wrestler, 3 escapes plus RT point = 4 points for better mat wrestler (assuming better neutral guy doesn't go down).
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 20, 2021
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I'm with Sean on this one.
It's not the right question to ask, but rather who can influence the match and wrestle from their strengths and avoid their relative weaknesses. It's what we are always seeing when we watch wrestling.
For example, when Eric Schultz from Nebraska was side rolled into a fall. I'm pretty sure that was the first time he was side rolled this year. He was good on top against most wrestlers. However, Pentz was as tall and had leverage to execute the move. Schultz was unaware of the danger. Also, it was at the edge of the mat which is always influences how someone wrestles. Momentary lapses or wrestling different on the edge happens so often that it is a thing.
Deakin pinned by Dellavecchia. Crab and a half. Probably the first time he saw it this year. Edge of the mat. Ding. Ding. Ding.
Tonight, I won't be surprised if someone loses by wrestling differently on the edge than they would in the center. Most certainly, the guy who influences the position for more scores is going home with a championship to his name.
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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"who can influence the match and wrestle from their strengths and avoid their relative weaknesses. It's what we are always seeing when we watch wrestling."
Yep. Saw plenty of that in the finals.
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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To a degree, the winner is the wrestler that can best game the system and Cael and crew are really good at it. Their guys danced a lot and waited for an opportune time to score, all the while not engaging grey area positions that might favor their opponent.
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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An example of a coach changing the outcome of a match, history lesson;
"With a spot in the championship round on the line – one that Hall eventually won – Hall surrendered a third-period takedown and seemed to be on the brink of falling to the consolations. But as he was taken to the mat, something didn’t look right to Cunningham. Upon instinct and with swiftness, the assistant coach acted.
As Valencia brought Hall down, Cunningham saw the chinstrap of Hall’s headgear slide up around his nose, an indication of a technical violation that the referee didn’t originally penalize, or see. Without hesitation, Cunningham leapt to his feet and then to the scorers’ table to wave (both) challenge flags, arguing that Valencia had illegally, even if incidentally, grabbed Hall’s equipment.
Permission was barely asked of Cael, who sat in the green corner. “Whatever he said, I’m with him,” Sanderson said afterward. “So yeah, Cunningham saw it [first].”
Upon instant-replay review, the takedown was waived off and Hall eventually prevailed, 4-3."
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Brady Hiatt added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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Interesting, I listened to three flo interviews/programs in my drive home. The Life of f Gable, and interviews from Brands and Sanderson.
All three times, upon losing (Gable when team didn't win their TENTH in a row) Brands over the last decade of not winning , and Cael after this year’s tournament — all mentioned how they had to to address things and do a better job as a coach and nothing made that more apparent than losing. Cael said that after have 4 NCAA Champs this year.
I’ll find exact quotes because their wording was amazing. I try to do that each year I am a coach. Evaluate everything I’m doing to try and improve. Some times I’ve went backwards trying to go forward — but that’s because I can’t meditate and see how each scenario plays out in my head before making a decision like Dr Strange could. :)
Point is: losing is painful, but many times a necessary part of the growing process if we are willing to humble ourselves to learn and change.
If anybody knows of great coaching videos, intervviews, etc, I’d love to see them.
Also interesting from the Life of Gable video: A young Dan Gable, was talking to kids at at camp and said (paraphrasing) you can learn a lot about wrestling by watching anybody. I can learn wrestling by watching all of you wrestle because you all do something unique that I can learn from.”
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Rex Holman added to this discussion on March 21, 2021
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Another thought regarding an endgame is that everything is directed towards your best performance at the end of the season. You are supposed to make mistakes during the season and work to correct those mistakes. Hence, the saying, it's all practice until the postseason.
One thing that hurt Sammy this year is that he did not get wrestle AOC until the finals. He needed that match under his belt to learn how to wrestle O'Connor. Call me biased, but I think Sammy beats him 9/10 times. He might have beaten him the other night. In some ways it feels like a karmic debt or a cosmic make up call for the Logan Stieber v Jordan Oliver ending. Either way, it was a heck of a match and his wrestling is outstanding.
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Discussion Topic: Dr Strange and and Wrestling Endgame
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on March 22, 2021
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“So, if you play into another's strengths, you are most likely to get beat. However, if you play the game by your own rules and only engage your positions of strength, then it is highly likely that you win.”
This principle probably holds true in any zero-sum endeavor, but it is particularly applicable to day or swing trading in volatile markets.
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