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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Matt Schein added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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Anyone see the Lee Ayala match? I saw the pin, but have no context. Lee looked upset as someone.
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Nick Lecklider added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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Spencer lee is still not 100 percent. He wanted Ayala to mff to him. Ayala said no I’m wrestling. Spencer lee didn’t like it and punished him basically.
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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I'm generally a Spencer Lee fan, but I don't know why he felt entitled to have his teammate medically forfeit to him to give him the title. If he didn't feel like wrestling he should've medically forfeited himself. I agree with Ayala's decision to wrestle if he was physically able to.
Now for me to go off on a tangent and rant: I'm not a fan of wrestlers forfeiting out of a tournament if they're still able to wrestle. We're seeing it more and more at all levels - HS, collegiate, and post-collegiate. If you MFF out when you're not injured it is not in line with the wrestling mentality and when young wrestlers see high level guys do it it sends the wrong message. I'm sure that some of them are legitimate injuries, but you can't convince me that they all are. A lot of times guys MFF out after losing in the quarters or semis because of an "ego injury."
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Matt Schein added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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Shouldn’t that be a coach’s decision?
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Rex Holman added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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Spencer Lee is training and competing while hampered by injury. It's been a long road.
It takes the fun out of it.
With each match, he takes on additional risk.
We are all living on borrowed time. I suspect he knows that each time on the mat could be his last.
Probably plays into his attitude with respect to risk/reward. Very little reward and substantial risk.
That being said Emmit Smith had a rough go of it with the Cardinals after a HoF career with the Cowboys. Still felt like he had a lot left in the tank but the game is brutal and there is a definite half-life to one's career.
What I am saying. If Spencer Lee has one more big knee injury, he's likely nearer towards the end of his career.
The longer you go in sport, the more likely you are to incur serious injury. You lose the plasticity of youth after a college career in wrestling.
Also, Can we get back to the other format. I feel like I'm on a 1990s message board.
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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Quote from Rex Holman's post:
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Also, Can we get back to the other format. I feel like I'm on a 1990s message board."
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Agree 100%
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Justin Hayes added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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Please change the format back.
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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I just emailed Dan about it as well,
Jim
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Drew Taylor added to this discussion on December 31, 2022
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Jeff, are you saying Spencer didn’t have a legit reason to default?
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on January 1, 2023
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Quote from Drew Taylor's post:
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"Jeff, are you saying Spencer didn’t have a legit reason to default?"
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Not at all. I said: "If he [Spencer] didn't feel like wrestling he should've medically forfeited himself."
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on January 1, 2023
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Not related to Spencer Lee at all but I just received this from Dan. I don't pretend to understand what it means but it sounds like he can fix it.
"Thanks for the heads-up. It's due to a server update that messes with the now-ancient phpbb system. I will have it all fixed tomorrow"
Dan
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Jared Ball added to this discussion on January 2, 2023
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I seem to remember Tom Brands making a statement that he (Spencer) decides when he is able (wants) to wrestle. On the surface that was a surprising thing to hear from a coach. Speculatively I think it’s more along what Rex was explaining.
On a secondary note there’s all sorts of social media stuff going around from Ayala’s mom. Essentially, she called out Spencer for being a punk towards his teammate. She indicated that Drake has never worked out with Spencer because he doesn’t “work out with the team”. Sounds like not all is right in Iowa City. They do have a history of teammate drama. Ramos-Dennis. Ramos-Gilman. Gilman-Spencer. Sounds to me like the coaching staff doesn’t communicate well with some of their athletes. It’s a bit of a frequent occurrence.
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Mark Niemann added to this discussion on January 2, 2023
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Jared: when you say “he doesn’t work out with the team” the “he” - as I read it from Ayala’s mom - meant Spencer Lee.
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Jared Ball added to this discussion on January 4, 2023
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Discussion Topic: Spencer Lee
Rex Holman added to this discussion on January 8, 2023
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Rewatched.
Ayala is not near Lee level.
Wrestling with him is not going to improve his game.
The after-match expression was warranted, measured and by a man in control of his emotions. Kudos. When you want to say FU but you but instead you just nonverbally express it.
Maybe you guys know this but on YouTube, BTN is offering Select Matches. Great way to catch up on matches.
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