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Discussion Topic: Chael Sonnen's Take On Spencer Lee
Hank Kornblut added to this discussion on March 28, 2023
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Discussion Topic: Chael Sonnen's Take On Spencer Lee
Mark Cummings added to this discussion on March 29, 2023
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Thanks for posting that video Hank. It’s an interesting take on a real problem. Last year at the B1G there were 2 mff in the championship matches including the 285 match with Gable when the entire arena erupted in boos. Of all 10 weight classes, I don’t recall a single weight where the 1st, 3rd, and 5th place matches were all contested. I think it was the same this year. At the end of the season everyone is hurt so when is a mff justified? Further if we want to go down the road of a punitive penalty for a mff, how punitive? Chael suggested points equal to 30% over a pin. That likely isn’t enough. My initial thought was a team losing all accumulated points from the wrestler who mff. That is probably too far in the other direction. Tying the mff to the television coverage was good stuff. When I go to an event or watch on tv, I want to see the best guys compete just like every other fan but if a guy legitimately can’t compete then I don’t want him competing. One would like to believe in the honor system but that’s naive.
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Discussion Topic: Chael Sonnen's Take On Spencer Lee
Ben Golden added to this discussion on March 29, 2023
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I agree with Chael. Actually, I made a similar argument on twitter the day Spencer forfeited--not suggesting an increased bonus for collecting a med fft, but pointing out that it hurts the product when guys forfeit on the backside, and I worry that Spencer doing this hear will lead to more of that in the future at the NCAA tournament.
However, something I'll point out in response to Chael: This problem is not limited to wrestling. NCAA football bowl games have a similar problem nowadays (probably much worse, actually), with the stars sitting out of non-playoff games.
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Discussion Topic: Chael Sonnen's Take On Spencer Lee
Michael Rodriguez added to this discussion on March 30, 2023
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What about making the wrestler who defaults sit out his next event? Obviously, it wouldn't help at NCAAs, but it would probably help a lot in duals and definitely eliminate the phenomenon at conferences.
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Discussion Topic: Chael Sonnen's Take On Spencer Lee
Dan Strope added to this discussion on March 30, 2023
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Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post:
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"What about making the wrestler who defaults sit out his next event? Obviously, it wouldn't help at NCAAs, but it would probably help a lot in duals and definitely eliminate the phenomenon at conferences."
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The problem at duals can best be fixed by individual conferences seedings "by team" results. You want to duck, then your backup's result is counted in the seeding process.
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Discussion Topic: Chael Sonnen's Take On Spencer Lee
Jim Behrens added to this discussion on March 30, 2023
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Quote from Dan Strope's post:
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Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post:
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"What about making the wrestler who defaults sit out his next event? Obviously, it wouldn't help at NCAAs, but it would probably help a lot in duals and definitely eliminate the phenomenon at conferences."
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The problem at duals can best be fixed by individual conferences seedings "by team" results. You want to duck, then your backup's result is counted in the seeding process."
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No matter what "method" is selected, there is always an unintended consequence.
In this case, what if the starter is actually ill or hurt? That is the real reason for a back up. Additionally, teams like PSU tend to have really good back ups.
I like Mike's idea better based on what I can see.
Just my $.02.
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Discussion Topic: Chael Sonnen's Take On Spencer Lee
Jeff Streu added to this discussion on March 30, 2023
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Quote from Jim Behrens's post:
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Quote from Dan Strope's post:
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Quote from Michael Rodriguez's post:
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"What about making the wrestler who defaults sit out his next event? Obviously, it wouldn't help at NCAAs, but it would probably help a lot in duals and definitely eliminate the phenomenon at conferences."
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The problem at duals can best be fixed by individual conferences seedings "by team" results. You want to duck, then your backup's result is counted in the seeding process."
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No matter what "method" is selected, there is always an unintended consequence.
In this case, what if the starter is actually ill or hurt? That is the real reason for a back up. Additionally, teams like PSU tend to have really good back ups.
I like Mike's idea better based on what I can see.
Just my $.02."
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I think I like the idea of seeding by "team" result more. Forcing guys to sit out the next event after they MFF would be a vicious cycle because we'd then be robbed of seeing even more matchups.
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